The Beginning of the End of Mormonism?

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I find it extremely difficult that someone with his educational background and intellect and moral teachings would be unable to discern what a dishonest, corrupt and immoral piece of excrement Trump is.
Well I wasn't talking about politics so much as meeting and fellowshipping accomplished people like President Nelson who still believe in God in a society that scoffs at God and insists those who believe are fools.

Even my surgeon/stake president agreed me with me that COVID was entirely political. I'm sure that alone would qualify him as an idiot on this board. And yet he was top of his med school class and he is unlike me a medical doctor. He's not an idiot. The people who judge him to be so are just carnal men who will never understand the things of the spirit.
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Even my surgeon/stake president agreed me with me that COVID was entirely political. I'm sure that alone would qualify him as an idiot on this board. And yet he was top of his med school class and he is unlike me a medical doctor. He's not an idiot. The people who judge him to be so are just carnal men who will never understand the things of the spirit the overwhelming majority of medical doctors and viral immunologists who, unlike surgeons, have relevant specialist knowledge, and realise that 'things of the spirit' are entirely irrelevant to such questions.
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Even my surgeon/stake president agreed me with me that COVID was entirely political.
Then he's an idiot and/or a liar.
I'm sure that alone would qualify him as an idiot on this board.
Not just on this board. He's an idiot everywhere. He was an idiot wherever he spoke to you, for instance.
And yet he was top of his med school class and he is unlike me a medical doctor. He's not an idiot. The people who judge him to be so are just carnal men who will never understand the things of the spirit.
Oh, I understand the "things of the spirit." That's a euphemism for "the nonsense that's important to me."

And I have met plenty of doctors who are dumb as damned rocks. I'm not impressed by his degrees alone.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Even my surgeon/stake president agreed me with me that COVID was entirely political. I'm sure that alone would qualify him as an idiot on this board. And yet he was top of his med school class and he is unlike me a medical doctor. He's not an idiot. The people who judge him to be so are just carnal men who will never understand the things of the spirit.
Faith leaders make an appeal to Utahns: Wear a mask to protect your neighbor
Latter-day Saint, Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist and leaders from dozens of other faith traditions join together to call on all to ‘love one’s neighbor’ by wearing a mask and social distancing

By Tad Walch@Tad_Walch Jun 24, 2020, 9:23pm MDT
“We, the under-signed faith community leaders, appeal to people of faith all over the state to wear masks and practice physical distancing, sacrificing a small measure of comfort for the sake of saving lives. We recall that the greatest commandment is to love God, and the second is like unto it, to love one’s neighbor as oneself. One cannot claim to love one’s neighbor while deliberately putting them at risk.

“We pray for the end of this devastating pandemic. However, the reality is that our actions must accompany those prayers. Please join us in continuing to take action to prevent the further spread of the pandemic by wearing masks in public and maintaining physical distancing.”

The letter was signed by Rev. Curtis Price, First Baptist Church, Salt Lake City; Rev. Monica Dobbins, First Unitarian Church; Rev. Fred Smullin, Morgan Valley Church; Rev. David Nichols, Mount Tabor Lutheran Church, Salt Lake City; Elder Randy D. Funk, first counselor in the Utah Area Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; Bishop Oscar Solis, Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake; Bishop Scott Hayashi, Episcopalian Diocese of Utah; Rev. Greg Johnson, Executive Director, Standing Together (100 Evangelical Utah Churches); Rev. Charles Robinson, St. Luke’s Episcopal Church, Park City; Joelle Wight, Seventy, Community of Christ Church; and Rev. Russell Butler, Christ United Methodist Church, Salt Lake City.
Mormon leaders ask church members to wear face masks in public to defend against coronavirus

Mormon church leaders are imploring followers to wear masks in public to defend against the coronavirus as temples reopen and church activities resume.

The Utah Area Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which consists of local leaders who preside over the church's activities in the region, asked church members in an email to wear face coverings in public "for the blessing and benefit of all."
The area's three leaders, citing a "growing chorus of medical authorities," recommended members of the church wear masks both indoors and outdoors to curb the spread of coronavirus. The Deseret News, which is owned by the Church, obtained the email.
"We are in the midst of a global pandemic unlike any the world has experienced in more than a century," the email reads. "Latter-day Saints are not immune."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints suspended much of its activity due to the coronavirus, sending missionaries home and closing most of its temples. Many of those temples have since resumed services this month as the church begins its own phased reopening, though many church activities remain suspended, including its educational programs and Tabernacle Choir performances.
It doesn't look to me like LDS leadership buys into the myth that "COVID was entirely political!"
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Oh, I understand the "things of the spirit." That's a euphemism for "the nonsense that's important to me."
Exactly. See my signature line.
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And I have met plenty of doctors who are dumb as freakin’ rocks. I'm not impressed by his degrees alone.
I'm sure you're impressed by Doctor Jill Biden.
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:46 pm
And I have met plenty of doctors who are dumb as freakin’ rocks. I'm not impressed by his degrees alone.
I'm sure you're impressed by Doctor Jill Biden.
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Oh, I understand the "things of the spirit." That's a euphemism for "the nonsense that's important to me."
I do pity you. It must be a depressing world to live in with such a lack of faith.
And I have met plenty of doctors who are dumb as freakin’ rocks. I'm not impressed by his degrees alone.
And you know I kind of agree with this. I was wondering whether Jill Biden was a heart surgeon or oncologist. Then I found out the truth. People that insist on being addressed by their honorific title are usually douches.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:51 pm
Oh, I understand the "things of the spirit." That's a euphemism for "the nonsense that's important to me."
I do pity you. It must be a depressing world to live in with such a lack of faith.
And I have met plenty of doctors who are dumb as freakin’ rocks. I'm not impressed by his degrees alone.
And you know I kind of agree with this. I was wondering whether Jill Biden was a heart surgeon or oncologist. Then I found out the truth. People that insist on being addressed by their honorific title are usually douches.
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Seems like yesterday but its been about 20-30 years since Mormonism was roundly rejected with passion in Evangelical circles as a Satanic cult. Nowadays, they're mostly welcomed so long as they vote Red. This is telling when the ideological devotion to a political philosophy is far more powerful than their so called devotion to God.

"So you believe you're the only true Church in God's eyes, and you believe Jesus is the brother of the Devil and God is literally a man with a body who has literal sex with his wife so their kids can be Gods over other worlds of their own? No worries. At least you don't believe the minimum wage should be increased to $15!"
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