Heat Wave

[Jersey Girl]

True story. Early this morning the sky was overcast, it was foggy and unusually cold for this time of year in this location. I thought it to myself that it felt just like fall. And then...I thought...what if this IS fall and it's going to start snowing next month then we'll be in below arctic-like temps (can't even claim arctic-like temps now can I because what have they become?) during what would have been normal winter?

[Moksha]

The thing about global warming is that there will be new temperature records next year.

[Brack]

Lytton Unfortunately broke Canada's all time temperature record a third time at 121 degrees before a forest fire came through and destroyed most of the town. This temperature is higher than some southern states have ever recorded like Utah. The records being broken here are not being broken by a little, but in some cases over 10 degrees Celsius. The North west has never seen anything like this.

That is 3 degrees hotter than the record high for Utah. The record high for Utah is 118 degrees from July of 2007.

[ajax18]

We should also have a national floodwaters redistribution grid in place to move excess waters from megastorms ‘there’ to drought stricken areas of the country ‘here’ - no national strategy nor coordinated effort is in place.

Not trying to be contentious but is there any way to move flood water to the desert that isn't cost prohibitive?

[ajax18]

Well. This drop understands he’s part of the flood, so I’m going to do something about it, even if it’s too late.

- Doc

How long will your investment push back global warming? What if you gave everyone a tax break in exchange for installing solar panels? How much would the earth's temperature rise in 50 years?

What if you just exterminated the US population and reduced carbon emissions to zero? The earth's temperature would still rise 0.2 degrees celsius in 50 years.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

We should also have a national floodwaters redistribution grid in place to move excess waters from megastorms ‘there’ to drought stricken areas of the country ‘here’ - no national strategy nor coordinated effort is in place.

Not trying to be contentious but is there any way to move flood water to the desert that isn't cost prohibitive?

I’m not sure. It’s like asking me if the Interstate hwy act of the 1950’s is cost prohibitive. We already have tens of thousands of miles of roads built, that the cost of installing catches and diversion pumping stations along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers could work if everyone who uses the diverted waters pays whatever share, is reduced because you don’t have to build that piece. The states along the Ogallala aquifer replenished by floodwater diversions wouldn’t require diversion from the Colorado river, so it’s possible we can make it work.

Additionally, the Romans built things like the Aqua Appia (60’ish miles) and another underground one (I don’t recall the name) at around the same length to move waters from wet to dry areas. China began construction of a $60+B South-to-North H2O transfer project. The project =‘s thousands of miles of pipelines and canals, ~400 H2O treatment facilities, pumping facilities, and related infrastructure.

To me this is a national security issue, and the plans and budget should be developed and executed under the auspices of the Army Corps of Engineers. No doubt.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well. This drop understands he’s part of the flood, so I’m going to do something about it, even if it’s too late.

- Doc

How long will your investment push back global warming? What if you gave everyone a tax break in exchange for installing solar panels? How much would the earth's temperature rise in 50 years?

What if you just exterminated the US population and reduced carbon emissions to zero? The earth's temperature would still rise 0.2 degrees celsius in 50 years.

I’m not trying to prevent crap. That ship has sailed. We’re most likely in a runaway greenhouse effect now. I’m attempting to adapt to our new reality.

That said, I think you’re missing other unintended consequences of not moving our crap off of fossil fuels as much as possible like, for example, air pollution causes snow to melt faster and that in turn creates drought conditions. I could Google articles for you, sources, papers, and various other consumable pieces of media, but you don’t read and aren’t interested in understanding the interconnectivity of human pollution and the effects it has on systems that end up causing other things to happen.

Like I said, not one drop blames itself for the flood. I’m attempting to participate in the green energy industry in the hopes that as more and more people actually do that, more R&D gets expended into it, it gets more efficient, more people do it, and so forth. I’d like to see people become adaptable to our new new. Think of it this way. More heat =‘s more demand on the electrical grid. If we were to get 80% of our population using some form of solar during the Summer and early Fall, the ability of our power grid to satisfy demand stays functional. That, to me, is just common sense.

Also, we should invest in nuclear. But that’s another discussion.

eta: Huh. The matrix’s algorithm is working overtime today, nooclear:

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasf ... r/h3vt4i6/

- Doc

[ajax18]

I’m not sure. It’s like asking me if the Interstate hwy act of the 1950’s is cost prohibitive. We already have tens of thousands of miles of roads built, that the cost of installing catches and diversion pumping stations along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers could work if everyone who uses the diverted waters pays whatever share, is reduced because you don’t have to build that piece. The states along the Ogallala aquifer replenished by floodwater diversions wouldn’t require diversion from the Colorado river, so it’s possible we can make it work.

Additionally, the Romans built things like the Aqua Appia (60’ish miles) and another underground one (I don’t recall the name) at around the same length to move waters from wet to dry areas. China began construction of a $60+B South-to-North H2O transfer project. The project =‘s thousands of miles of pipelines and canals, ~400 H2O treatment facilities, pumping facilities, and related infrastructure.

To me this is a national security issue, and the plans and budget should be developed and executed under the auspices of the Army Corps of Engineers. No doubt.

- Doc

There's plenty of rain in Florida right now. But water doesn't flow uphill. It would be nice if we could schedule the rain or water the Sahara. There's a reason it hasn't been done yet and I'd contend that it's not because we need to ditch the free market and move toward a soviet style command economy.

Also, we should invest in nuclear. But that’s another discussion.

Ben Shapiro would agree with the nuclear energy idea. I could see for investing in artificial carbon sequestration from the atmosphere. But I still don't understand how a few more people purchasing solar panels is going to have a significant effect on the global climate. How quickly do you think this will catch on in China? What are the benefits that you're actually reaping from these solar panels if it is in fact too late? You've raised gas prices and sent negative effects throughout the US economy already. You've put huge number of Americans out of good paying jobs on the Keystone Pipeline that would have been better for the environment than status quo which is shipping the oil on Warren Buffet's trains. And for what? All the while John Kerry continues to fly around the world on his private jet seemingly unconcerned about his disproportionate carbon footprint. I suppose as long as we can use the climate crisis to push through the new world order the ends justify the means, right?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

-_-

Why did I know you’d post something retarded?

Highways don’t naturally form, reservoirs with complicated pipe systems don’t spontaneously appear, and electricity doesn’t magically jump into your wife’s vibrator. eta: It just occurred to me that Xanax doesn’t understand oil pipelines and thus doesn’t understand how we could pipe water to needy areas.

Also, this is why gas prices rise and fall, you felt-brained muppet:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gas ... ations.php

Anyway. A little rant - The Earth doesn’t balance anything, there's no intentional system, there isn't a right and natural way for humans to consume natural resources. There are just a series stupid mistakes that's now become stupid choices that will be catastrophic. The Earth isn't better or worse with or without us. Better and worse are ideas and we're the only ones who have ideas. Our opinion is the only one that matters, there's not some beautiful natural order asserting itself, it's just physics and stupidity and now a slow and creeping realization that we’re in a new era.

God isn’t directing anything, Xanax, and even if He were then I can tell you He doesn’t give two craps about the Earth, if one believes the Bible’s stories and prophecies. The only "system" that's really in play in our human story is that life doesn't give up, it systematically invades any niche if it can, and we’re part of that existential mandate.

Until it isn’t.

In a couple of decades you might look back at your stupid damned comments, and think "What the “F” was I on about?” Because human suffering is just starting. Right now, for you, it's on tv and right-wing news sites, and it’s something to muse about. To make stupid comments about- like Democrats controlling gas prices. But when it kills the first person you love, you'll feel it, and it time all of us will see this for what it was: a sad, stupid accident that became an evil, stupid choice that is going to yield more human suffering that we in the West can get our little monkey brains around yet.

We think, those of us who can think, that Global Heating will be like the movies. Perhaps our monkey brains can imagine a quick montage of suffering, and then we’re back to the main characters and action. Back to normal! Life will go on! And if not, Jesus will appear! This is delusion. This will instead be a slog; decades of slowly losing everything. Our choices will narrow over weeks, months, and years. We’ll eventually just watch in horror, and then numb silence. It's going to be a long and uncomfortable and boring and sad decline in some ways, and a violent ending in other ways. For a few billion of us, it's going to be a horrible, painful early death.

But, yeah. Water doesn’t flow up hill and Democrats control gas prices.

- Doc

[Gunnar]

Ben Shapiro would agree with the nuclear energy idea. I could see for investing in artificial carbon sequestration from the atmosphere. But I still don't understand how a few more people purchasing solar panels is going to have a significant effect on the global climate. How quickly do you think this will catch on in China? What are the benefits that you're actually reaping from these solar panels if it is in fact too late? You've raised gas prices and sent negative effects throughout the US economy already. You've put huge number of Americans out of good paying jobs on the Keystone Pipeline that would have been better for the environment than status quo which is shipping the oil on Warren Buffet's trains. And for what? All the while John Kerry continues to fly around the world on his private jet seemingly unconcerned about his disproportionate carbon footprint. I suppose as long as we can use the climate crisis to push through the new world order the ends justify the means, right?

Ben Shapiro is an idiot, but he is right about the potential for nuclear energy being much less of a contributor to global warming than our insane over reliance on fossil fuels.

If you would bother to acquaint yourself with the evidences we have shown you, that you obstinately refuse to even look at, you would know that the number of jobs needed to build the Keystone pipeline, and the even smaller number of jobs required to run it and maintain it once built, is miniscule compared to the job creation potential of transitioning to a renewable energy economy. Thanks to stubborn head-in-the-sand conservative refusal to acknowledge the dangers of global warming and the potential of renewable energy sources, you may well be right that it's too late in the game to prevent the coming disasters due to mankind's lack of foresight. But if mankind as a whole had heeded the warnings of environmental scientists and climatologists decades ago, when we should have, we would be well on our way by now to a greener, cleaner, safer and more prosperous economy and environment.

I will refer you once again to the research and work being done by the Rocky Mountain Institute. They and organizations like them are already making great strides in improving energy efficiency and showing how to wean us off our increasingly insane dependence on fossil fuels, saving many millions of dollars annually for the companies that heed and adopt their recommendations. These people are not idiots! They are highly knowledgeable scientists, engineers and economists who are proving every day the necessity and wisdom of transitioning to something very much like the Green New Deal. Please, for the sake of mankind, including your children and grandchildren, take a good hard look at their site and what they have to tell us.

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