Doc, Homless in LA

[_schreech]

My father had that exact van, he bought it as a used ambulance and ripped the insides out and did the same, particle wood floors and benches along the inside. I remember sleeping in that thing on many occasions, it never lost the ambulance smell...

Ours fortunately didn't have an ambulance smell, but we did get to enjoy moderate engine fumes, and burnt oil that would emanate from the cracks of the That van was my reading refuge.

Every time it rained, I would go out, crack open the gullwing windows on the sides and read The Outsiders.

Thank you Screech, for the lovely feeling of nostalgia that's warming my innards now.


(Sorry Mark for the derail )

I just reread the outsiders with my daughter :)

This is very similar to the one he had -



He even tried to install a fridge and sink that never actually worked. Oh, and my dad had this idea that after he worked out, sweating for the next 30 minutes to an hour was healthy for him. He would pick us (including friends) up in the van after his workouts. The heat would be going full blast, windows shut and the inside of the van would feel like a sauna. OMG, I don't miss that van at all...that smell....and it just never stopped running. He sold it and it ran as well as the day he bought it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

that serves EA's and other's position on immigration:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... t-a-burden

Immigrants Are a Fiscal Boon, Not a Burden

After a few years in America, the foreign-born pay more into the safety net than they take out

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TL;DR - Immigrants have an overall net economic contribution to American economics

- Doc

[_Gadianton]

that serves EAllusion's and other's position on immigration:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... t-a-burden

Immigrants Are a Fiscal Boon, Not a Burden

After a few years in America, the foreign-born pay more into the safety net than they take out

.

TL;DR - Immigrants have an overall net economic contribution to American economics

- Doc

Here's where it gets really crazy. Immigrants help the economy grow, they are one factor of many pumping up LA, which puts the squeeze on the poor -- who are disproportionately non-whites -- which yes, increases homelessness (so Mark is right if he think immigration causes homelessness, but by the exact opposite causal mechanisms), but in the long-run, what the articles on LA homelessness have been mentioning spuriously is that the big money transforming LA is changing the demographics slowly toward an middle-upper class white one. And so the funny thing is, Mark's rant here started on LA becoming mexico and everything is spanish now thanks to illegals, but closer to the truth is the exact opposite.

[_Themis]

And so the funny thing is, Mark's rant here started on LA becoming mexico and everything is spanish now thanks to illegals, but closer to the truth is the exact opposite.

From my POV most anti immigration is related to racism, unease to other cultures/languages and maybe a feeling ones area has too many people already. Jobs is almost always used as the public excuse for being against immigration.

[_Markk]

Here's where it gets really crazy. Immigrants help the economy grow, they are one factor of many pumping up LA, which puts the squeeze on the poor -- who are disproportionately non-whites -- which yes, increases homelessness (so Mark is right if he think immigration causes homelessness, but by the exact opposite causal mechanisms), but in the long-run, what the articles on LA homelessness have been mentioning spuriously is that the big money transforming LA is changing the demographics slowly toward an middle-upper class white one. And so the funny thing is, Mark's rant here started on LA becoming mexico and everything is spanish now thanks to illegals, but closer to the truth is the exact opposite.

Where did I say immigration causes homelessness?

My "rant" started when I disagreed that illegal immigration, in So Ca, makes natives wages higher with a High School diploma or higher. At least get my rant in proper context.

I also showed how factory jobs is LA pay less than the national average, and a study that showed buying power versus the 1960 dollar is not even close today.

I stated from experience how construction wages are lower across the board in the private sector.

I also pointed out that we can find a study that will support just about any opinion with a quick google search.

The link below is very funny with a great point.

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/from-s ... iver-right

[_Morley]

I also pointed out that we can find a study that will support just about any opinion with a quick google search.

This is obviously not true. If it were, you would have been able to do it.

[_Res Ipsa]

Where did I say immigration causes homelessness?

My "rant" started when I disagreed that illegal immigration, in So Ca, makes natives wages higher with a High School diploma or higher. At least get my rant in proper context.

I also showed how factory jobs is LA pay less than the national average, and a study that showed buying power versus the 1960 dollar is not even close today.

I stated from experience how construction wages are lower across the board in the private sector.

I also pointed out that we can find a study that will support just about any opinion with a quick google search.

The link below is very funny with a great point.

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/from-s ... iver-right

It’s been a long and tangled conversation, but I don’t think Markk has argued that immigration is the cause of the spike in homelessness. He’s given both as examples of deteriorating conditions, but hasn’t argued that one caused the other. It was Cam who made that argument.

[_Markk]

I also pointed out that we can find a study that will support just about any opinion with a quick google search.

This is obviously not true. If it were, you would have been able to do it.

Do what? I am as guilty as anyone using Internet "studies" if that is what you meant. You can find a study to prove just about anything...That why a like experience and observation. If I spent in dog poop, and it stinks...I can relate that far better than a study.

Don't get me wrong, when science is proved...that is a awesome thing....but it also weeds out the poor studies.

Let do an experiment...say...why is socialism good, you tell me what side to take and I will defend that position.

[_Morley]

That why a like experience and observation. If I spent in dog poop, and it stinks...I can relate that far better than a study.

Markk, what does this even mean?

[_Markk]

That {is} why a like experience and observation. If I {step} in dog poop, and it stinks...I can relate {to} that far better than a study.

Markk, what does this even mean?

{edit } sorry.