subgenius wrote:1. My point was that Acosta, in spite of your endorsement, is a hack reporter. 2. A state of emergency or military eminent domain is hella different than your notion of traditional litigation on these matters.
Bull damned crap, idiot. The military has to abide by all sorts of environmental regulations, it has to respect US citizen property rights, and, I dunno, there are all sorts of, I dunno, Constitutional issues with an active duty military doing military operations, like, I dunno, seizing its own citizens' lands for security operations.
Holy “F”. You. Are. Dumb.
Trumpers are hopeless.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
... But Trump’s threat of using the military to acquire land for a massive federal project is nothing new or extraordinary. What is extraordinary, however, is Trump’s assertion that he can unilaterally order the military to build the wall, including seizing land, by declaring a national emergency without statutory authorization, let alone evidence of a legitimate emergency.
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Having the military seize land to build a wall because Trump is so scared of his Base (with their fear of brown folks) is such an amazingly bad precedent that clashes with so much of what conservatives arguably believe in that it's just a wonder to watch them twist themselves into knots trying to justify it.
Inevitably, there will come the Post-Trump age, and conservatives will be left behind as empty vessels devoid of any moral standing or integrity. i have no idea how they follow this time with any self-respect, or any significant audience willing to trust or believe them in any way.
Having the military seize land to build a wall because Trump is so scared of his Base (with their fear of brown folks) is such an amazingly bad precedent that clashes with so much of what conservatives arguably believe in that it's just a wonder to watch them twist themselves into knots trying to justify it.
Inevitably, there will come the Post-Trump age, and conservatives will be left behind as empty vessels devoid of any moral standing or integrity. i have no idea how they follow this time with any self-respect, or any significant audience willing to trust or believe them in any way.
Such flawed thinkiing ia partly why liberals struggle predicting election resullts.
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And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I'll definitely never claim any special ability to predict election results.
But I'll definitely stick to thinking that wanting the military to seize private property in order to build a wall of dubious need - when there are other better and less expensive options that don't involve surrendering people's property rights to the will of a President during his fit of fear of losing a future election - is an amazingly bad precedent for a 'conservative' to agree to.
New York (CNN)Most drugs are smuggled into the United States onboard fishing boats, trains, tractor-trailers and ordinary cars that come into the country at legal ports of entry, according to former cartel members who've testified in the trial of notorious cartel leader Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
Some cartel members have testified about using underground tunnels. But none have said they've transported drugs into the United States at unwalled sections of the border.
The testimony comes at a time when President Donald Trump's push for a border wall includes arguments that it would help stop the flow of drugs into the United States.
Trump tweeted Friday that without a steel barrier or wall along the US-Mexico border, "our Country cannot be safe. Criminals, Gangs, Human Traffickers, Drugs & so much other big trouble can easily pour in. It can be stopped cold!"
subgenius wrote:1. My point was that Acosta, in spite of your endorsement, is a hack reporter. 2. A state of emergency or military eminent domain is hella different than your notion of traditional litigation on these matters.
Bull damned crap, idiot. The military has to abide by all sorts of environmental regulations, it has to respect US citizen property rights, and, I dunno, there are all sorts of, I dunno, Constitutional issues with an active duty military doing military operations, like, I dunno, seizing its own citizens' lands for security operations.
Holy “F”. You. Are. Dumb.
Trumpers are hopeless.
- Doc
So lets set aside your obvious eloquence and the fact that about 1/3 of the border is federal land and just have you answer a simple question... is it your understanding that Trump is proposing a continuous wall/fence for thr full "sea to shining sea" length of southern border?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
New York (CNN)Most drugs are smuggled into the United States onboard fishing boats, trains, tractor-trailers and ordinary cars that come into the country at legal ports of entry, according to former cartel members who've testified in the trial of notorious cartel leader Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
Some cartel members have testified about using underground tunnels. But none have said they've transported drugs into the United States at unwalled sections of the border.
The testimony comes at a time when President Donald Trump's push for a border wall includes arguments that it would help stop the flow of drugs into the United States.
Trump tweeted Friday that without a steel barrier or wall along the US-Mexico border, "our Country cannot be safe. Criminals, Gangs, Human Traffickers, Drugs & so much other big trouble can easily pour in. It can be stopped cold!"
oh well we didn't realize that "some" cartel members had testified....well that just settles the whole debate and i don't know why anyone bothered to listen to actual border agents on any of these matters because "some cartel members".
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Oh, wow. You're back. I guess you needed a couple of days to let the hot embarrassment of being insanely wrong on the farts you keep quaffing on this thread to pass.
Again. Where. Would. You. Put. The. Walls?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
subgenius wrote:i don't know why anyone bothered to listen to actual border agents on any of these matters because "some cartel members".
Who are the 'actual border agents' who have testified that the southern border is the major route by which illegal drugs enter the US?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.