Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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GoodK wrote:I'm curious, and in light of all the regulatory talk (which I'll comment on later), what people think of the following quote from Senator Chris Buttars:

When speaking to a Deseret News reporter:

"What sets us apart is that we're the only residential treatment facility that doesn't seek or accept government funding. If we did, they'd control us."


I'm not prepared to share what I think until you put a date on the quote and tell me what current position Buttars holds at West Ridge today.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Jersey Girl wrote:
GoodK wrote:I'm curious, and in light of all the regulatory talk (which I'll comment on later), what people think of the following quote from Senator Chris Buttars:

When speaking to a Deseret News reporter:

"What sets us apart is that we're the only residential treatment facility that doesn't seek or accept government funding. If we did, they'd control us."


I'm not prepared to share what I think until you put a date on the quote and tell me what current position Buttars holds at West Ridge today.


Non-response noted.

Gotta run!
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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GoodK wrote:
liz3564 wrote:That's what this lengthy discussion has been about, Eric.
Something needs to be documented. Once a paper trail exists, you can at least begin to make them run scared.


I know. I've been working a lot this last week, but I've been following along and will provide you with some details regarding the existing paper trail in a day or so. It's hard to do this via mobile device.


I understand. When I'm looking at MDB via my iPod Touch, it's hard to really respond the way I want to. You just don't have the freedom that you do on a full computer.

It's still a handy device, though! :wink:

I'm looking forward to your update.

I hope you know we're all on the same side with this one, sweetie. You've got a lot of support. :smile:
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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GoodK wrote:
liz3564 wrote: Therefore, even though it doesn't have to abide by the government funding restraints, it still must abide by the licensing laws of the state. If it doesn't, the license will be revoked.


I wish that were true. Obviously it's not, their license has been renewed year after year.


West Ridge holds a total of four licenses. The lic# I posted for marg on this thread is for the youth residential license only.

How does West Ridge fail to maintain compliance with it's licenses?
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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GoodK wrote:
Non-response noted.

Gotta run!


The date of the quote and Buttars' current affiliation with West Ridge are relevant. If you're unable or unwilling to supply both, your quote isn't worth the screen you posted it on, Eric.

If the quote is old and the school now accepts federal funding in some form or fashion, the quote is irrelevant.

You've got pages upon pages of detailed "response" from me on this thread. Asking you for two pieces of information shouldn't be considered extraordinary.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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I'm not hiding it, I'm in the car on my iphone. I don't have the exact date. The quote is several years old - I'll post a link when I can - while Buttars still served as executive director.

Chris Buttars is currently on the board of directors.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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GoodK wrote:I'm not hiding it, I'm in the car on my iphone. I don't have the exact date. The quote is several years old - I post a link when I can - while Buttars still served as executive director.

Chris Buttars is currently on the board of directors.


Eric,

I wasn't implying that you were hiding it. When you post things like that, you need to include dates. Who can comment on that quote without knowing the two items that I asked for? You need to place things in context.

If the quote is several years old and Buttars is on the Board, I'd want to know if the school currently accepts gov't funding of any kind.

Just taking it at face value, I'd have to say he just comes off like a fool who objects to gov't controls of any kind.

That he is on the board, doesn't tell me much about what sort of influence he really has. For example, some programs would have parent advisors on the board along with other types of representatives that make decisions for the program. When you use Buttars as a sole example it doesn't tell me how decisions are made and/or what types of checks and balances are in place to prevent one person from wielding an inordinate amount of power.

I'll check back here on Friday or over the weekend. I'm honestly burned out on this right now.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Ok a bit of an update.

Bonnie didn't call back. Today I tried to reach her, apparently she was in but I was unsuccessful so far with only a message on her answering machine. I've just called again, she's out of the office, receptionist is uncertain if she'll be back, they are open today until 6. Tomorrow, Friday they are closed. she does have a boss but he's away until Monday.

I found an excellent pdf file with lots of information.
http:www.dhs.utah.gov/pdf/hot-tips.pdf

Phoned the abuse hot-line it rang for 10 minutes before what turned out to be a nice gentleman, Gene answered, he gave me his direct # if Eric would like to speak with him.

His understanding is that only case by case complaint situations are looked into. So an individual in the residential program or someone fairly recently out of it would have to make a specific complaint against specific individuals/staff.

He doesn't think there is any overall evaluation of the program by any agency to ensure the facility does not use psychological abusive methods.

If a child was sent there as a Custody of the State then that child would be followed, their progressed assessed and the school program assessed. As I mentioned to him, I doubt very much Westridge accepts youth from the State, as they claim on their web site they don't accept kids with serious behavioral issues.

He suggested besides contacting Office of Licensing, to contact Constituency Services # 538-4100, and/or Office of Ombudsman

On the site I link to above it say with regard to Office of licensing:

OL does not assess the effectiveness, quality or appropriateness of the
treatment and intervention services provided by the licensee. OL is only
authorized to determine if the facility meets basic health and safety standards
and that minimum administrative procedures are in place.


HOW CAN INFORMATION ABOUT THE QUALITY OF A PROGRAM BE OBTAINED?Human Services Licensing addresses only minimum health and safety criteria. To best
determine if a program meets your expectations, it is recommended you visit the
program/facility, spend time talking with staff and/or clients and ask for references. The more
information obtained about a program, the easier it will be to make a decision.

IS THERE A WAY TO FIND OUT IF A PROGRAM HAS HAD COMPLAINTS FILED AGAINST
IT?

After making initial contact with a program and questioning the staff or clients, feel free to
contact the licensor of the program. The licensor can provide results of the latest licensing visit,
the current license status and basic information on substantiated complaints in the program file.

HOW ARE ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND DEPENDENCY DEFINED?
Abuse:
• Physical harm to a child that is not accidental, such as bruises, welts, burns, cuts and
broken bones.
• Sexual contact including rape, sodomy, and fondling. Sexual exploitation including use of
children for pornography and prostitution.
• Demeaning or derogatory remarks that significantly affect the child’s development such as:
threatening, rejecting, and terrorizing behavior or language, pattern of psychologically
destructive behavior.

My assessment so far is that Eric is handling things about the best way he could..which is attempting to bring what goes on there to the public's attention. Being as Westridge is private, it doesn't appear there is any gov't body assessing the quality of services it offers, and whether psychological stress and abuse goes on via its methods. But I still intend to get more feedback from the Office of Licensing, and the other departments Gene mentioned.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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GoodK wrote:I'm curious, and in light of all the regulatory talk (which I'll comment on later), what people think of the following quote from Senator Chris Buttars:

When speaking to a Deseret News reporter:

"What sets us apart is that we're the only residential treatment facility that doesn't seek or accept government funding. If we did, they'd control us."


While you may have thought this a clear statement, let’s recognize what issues it raises.

Who was that “Deseret News reporter”? Is there a name, an identity clearly made? Is there reporter credibility?

Second, did that “reporter” write an article with the direct quote which you have attributed here to one person?

Third, how do we know these were the precise words of “Chris Buttars”? Was there an audio or video/audio recording made when this statement was made?

Fourth, were there other comments of a qualifying nature made by “Chris Buttars”?

These issues are relevant to the claims which you make. Transparency is critical.

On the other hand, suppose we assume the validity of your comment and that “Buttars” made the statement. The last sentence implies a desire to avoid oversight – “control.” Does this mean this “residential treatment facility” rejects oversight? It appears that’s what it means. By rejecting any “government funding,” the “facility” also appears to rejects regulation. Absent regulation or investigation, the “facility” appears to decide its policies exclusively. Is that legal? I’m skeptical. If the state gives sole authority to a “facility” with no surprise inspection, the state appears subordinate to the facility and its policies. If that is the case, the state (government) is irrelevant to what happens at the “facility.”

The last sentence demonstrates that no “control” is acceptable. By rejecting all “governmental funding,” that would appear to intend immunity from government investigation and intervention. It would appear an attempt to be beyond the reach of the law. What is the attitude of governmental authorities in this?

Options are these among possible others:
The state (government) turns a blind eye to anything at the “facility.”
The state (government) approves what takes place at the “facility.”
Licensing is an undisciplined approval absent serious investigation of what the government licenses.

To return to the first part of analysis:

Who is the “Desert News Reporter”? Relevant issues include a name, qualifications, reliability, expertise in investigative reporting.

How qualified is that person as a factual, objective reporter in this story?

In what medium did that reporter convey the exact quotation which you attribute to Buttars?

What follow-up reports by others were made that confirm the exact quote you present?

Absent clarity and confirmation of the stated quotation, questions of credibility may be raised.

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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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JAK wrote:Absent clarity and confirmation of the stated quotation, questions of credibility may be raised.

JAK


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