No Trump defenders left ...?

[_canpakes]

Misjudging how aggressive to be in opposing Russian operations is not equivalent to aiding them. This is so elementary that if I didn't know you, I'd assume you were attempting to mess with me.

Because leaving a window open with the possibility of a bee flying in is exactly the same as bringing the beehive inside of the house, right?

These guys. I don’t know how they keep this act up.

[_Chap]

Can someone help me out, please?

I find it quite hard to see exactly what it is that Markk is asserting to be the case in regards to

(a) Obama and Obama's close associates
(b) Trump and Trump's close associates

and the nature and effect of their contacts with Russian mafia/government agents attempting to influence the course of US politics over the last few years. I am anxious not to misunderstand him, but he is not very good at making himself clear.

So, anybody?

Where did I address anything about "close" associates? I do not recall saying that at all?

...

That was, like, sorta my point. Basically because is is very hard to catch the Godfather himself redhanded. But once you catch his consigliere, you usually end up with the Godfather himself. And (in case you didn't notice) that's just what Mueller is working on.

So, do you think the Trump team is clean?

[_Markk]

That was, like, sorta my point. Basically because is is very hard to catch the Godfather himself redhanded. But once you catch his consigliere, you usually end up with the Godfather himself. And (in case you didn't notice) that's just what Mueller is working on.

So, do you think the Trump team is clean?

LOL. I don't believe any politician/or team is clean, but I see no evidence of him colluding with the Russians other than everyday politics as usual. Name me a clean politician. In some sense Trump is a very clean politician and yet a filthy dirty businessman.

Do you think McConnell, Pelosi, Hillary, Bernie are clean...each one would lie and sell their mothers if needed. The Clintons were are as dirty as they come.

It is all about perception and the current condition of the country. Kennedy may have been one of the dirtiest presidents we have had, yet timing made him a saint. Eisenhower was a hero and beloved, yet can you imagine the decisions and deals he made...but he won WW2 in many folks eyes.

Perception is everything, and where Trump fails most the time is marketing his brand...at times I just crack up and think are you kidding me and love how he punks the status quo (the red and blue swamp)...other times I just shake my head and think he is the dumbest man on earth in that he does something positive then does or says something stupid that overshadows any good.

Like pulling out of Syria...his polices worked and my first thoughts are what are you thinking...o'well we will see?

[_Jersey Girl]

In some sense Trump is a very clean politician and yet a filthy dirty businessman.

What makes you draw this distinction?

[_Chap]

That was, like, sorta my point. Basically because is is very hard to catch the Godfather himself redhanded. But once you catch his consigliere, you usually end up with the Godfather himself. And (in case you didn't notice) that's just what Mueller is working on.

So, do you think the Trump team is clean?

LOL. I don't believe any politician/or team is clean, but I see no evidence of him colluding with the Russians other than everyday politics as usual. ....

I notice that you pivoted back to Trump alone as soon as you got past the first sentence.

My question was deliberately addressed to the question of Trump's associates, whom he personally selected and in whom he has placed his trust during his campaign and during his period in office. What do you think of them? Have they proved themselves to be above or below what you think of as an acceptable standard of probity?

(Nope. I'm not really interested in anybody not connected with Trump. Because, oh, I dunno. Maybe something to do with him being president at the moment, and a whole lot of what I believe is called 'weird crap' going on at the moment.)

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

My question was deliberately addressed to the question of Trump's associates, whom he personally selected and in whom he has placed his trust during his campaign and during his period in office. What do you think of them? Have they proved themselves to be above or below what you think of as an acceptable standard of probity?

Well, considering Cohen gave Mueller's team "useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to" Mueller's investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact with [Trump Organization] executives during the" 2016 presidential campaign, I'm a little surprised Trumpers are play acting like there's nothing there.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

There is absolutely no sense in which Trump is a "very clean politician."

[_EAllusion]

We have a paper trail between Russian contacts and the highest levels of the Trump campaign that goes, "Hey, let's collude / Sounds Great" followed by all the elements of that collusion having occurred. This was covered up by extensive lying by the Trump campaign and numerous figures within it have no been found guilty of crimes related to illicit contacts with Russia.

Markk, looking at this, decides to forgo arguing that he's unpersuaded by the available evidence and just declare no evidence of collusion at all is out there. If a pathological liar says he didn't do it, that's good enough for him.

[_schreech]

There is absolutely no sense in which Trump is a "very clean politician."

I especially like how high markkk’s standard of guilt is for Trump while at the same time throwing out nonsense, right wing rag level talking points like “the clintons are as dirty as they come” with no evidence whatsoever.

It’s as if “human nature is funny and we only see what we want to see” as someone said, completely unironically, here recently. Maybe markkk's participation here is just his attempt at an object lesson in how people, like himself, only see what they choose to see. He is just playing the fool to teach us a lesson. Lol, His lack of self awareness, total ignorance of both recent history and how the government works is what I have come to expect from blind sycophants of trumplethinskin.

[_Markk]

There is absolutely no sense in which Trump is a "very clean politician."

There certainly is in the sense he is not really a politician, you can make more of it if you like, but I believe he is a dirty ruthless businessman with a ego that is unmatched by few.