Gadianton wrote:Markk wrote:So you are not going to tell me how the survey that came to the conclusion that only 16%+- of the homeless in LA are SUD/AUD...was conducted. At least answer me this...do you know how it was conducted, or are you just too embarrassed how the study was formulated?
The problem with you and ldsfaqs and a few others is that those of us correcting your nightmarish misrepresentations of basic reality do all the work while you sit back and evade, change the subject, spout off sentences that barely make sense and cite articles you haven't read that contradict your point or have nothing to do with it. And you just keep going, indefinitely. There is information on the site that shows how the data was generated. Since you can't even comprehend what the basic news articles you cite in your defense are saying, it would be pointless to get so deep in the weeds.
Markk wrote:IF you have a problem with my believing that messed up parents raising kids into their problems, I guess I can't change that...but i stand by my opinion that I believe it lends to homelessness, and other issues, like prison...which I already noted.
By all means, recast your stupid position about persistent or chronic generational family homelessness that you experienced in the ministry into something that at least makes basic sense, and then stand by it since nobody will disagree with it.
Your new article, once again, contradicts your own points.
Markk wrote:While progress has been made in recent years in reducing chronic homelessness among veterans and other single adults, Dr. Bassuk said the opposite is true for families. Policymakers tend to under-count families experiencing homelessness because the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) does not count precariously housed or doubled-up families, only those living on the street or in shelters.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the claims you've been making. Dr. Bassuk is disputing the common definition of homelessness because he feels that children living in poor ghetto conditions or doubled-up housing also count as homeless. You've botched "circular reasoning", "straw man", and "bait and switch" in your accusations against myself and others, revealing that you do not even know what these terms mean, and I did not have the energy to explain them to you so to make it up I'll give you a brief introduction into the fallacy of "equivocation".
You cited this article because it reads "Child homelessness Often is Under-estimated" hoping to get me, because right there in plain English it seems to dispute the 1% chronic homeless count. Maybe that's really 62 percent? Mark is hopeful. But "homelessness" in a re-defined sense that focuses on poor and unstable home situations has absolutely nothing to do with anything you've been writing. You've been very focused on people living on the streets getting into your field of view, or people on the street during your street ministry. Up until this very post, your use of the word "homeless" has been right in line with the HUD definition. Your issue hasn't been folks with problems defecating on the carpet away out from your view but folks with problems defecating in front of you on the street. The problem for you has been what's messing up your drive to work and your nice café circles. If you now wish to be concerned about what folks are doing out from your view in poor housing, be my guest, but it is a new concern that has nothing to do with your pages and pages of complaining and ranting up to this point.
I've gone well past my self-imposed quota in responding to ldsfaqs-level argumentation on this topic and you quite frankly, haven't deserved my generous corrections to your atrocious reasoning. From high above you upon my white stallion, I dismiss your ignorance with a final wave of my hand and bid you good day on this topic, as it's the polite thing to do.
LOL...ducking the questions again, and again.
How was you study conducted...? Maybe volunteers walking around and asking people if they are alcoholics, or drug addicts, and giving them a subway sandwich or Bigmac?
Do they just ask a mentally ill person, if they are mentally ill?
Glad wrote...and you quite frankly, haven't deserved my generous corrections to your atrocious reasoning. From high above you upon my white stallion, I dismiss your ignorance with a final wave of my hand and bid you good day on this topic, as it's the polite thing to do.
Wow..."your generous time"...LOL...excuse me your highness! That sounds like something DCP woud say...LOL again.
You hung your argument on one survey you read that was conducted by volunteers asking people with problems, what their problems are, and assuming they are telling the truth or even capable of telling the truth.
36. Do you have, have you ever had, or has a healthcare provider ever told you that you have any of the following health conditions?
Please use the response card.
[]Problematic alcohol use
[]Problematic drug use
[]Serious and long continuing mental illness (e.g,
depression, bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia)
[]Physical disability
[]Physical illness (chronic or ongoing)
[]HIV / AIDS-related illness
[]Severe depression (chronic or ongoing)
[]Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
[]Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI)
[]Developmental disability
[]None of the above
[]Declined
[]Don't know
Dr. Bassak is saying that if you sleep in a pig pen you are going to get dirty and stink. It is common sense Gad. You can twist it, bend it, and ignore what I am stating all you like, but it does not change the fact that kids being raised with parents with these issues, that can't even take care of themselves let alone the child, will have a greater chance of ending up on the streets or worse.
That is what I was saying to EA, that is what I meant, and that is what I mean now. You think that you know the facts by reading some lame study that is not even close to the reality on the streets.
Off topic a bit...
I was at a rally/protest today at the OC County bldg. It was about the County wanting to move homeless, to a new tent city in the City of Irvine. People were protesting in that they did not want a tent city in their neighborhood.
I asked a homeless guy who was packing up getting ready to move if there are a lot of alcoholics and drug addicts in the tent city he was in...he said " it don't matter if everybody is high or not, they are all mentally ill." and then he just kept on about his business. I have no Idea if that was a yes or a no.
Gad, I wish you the best.
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
