Markk wrote:
Jersey Girl...this is about gathering correct data for workable solutions...
It seems as though you think there's no way to gather correct data.
Markk wrote:
Jersey Girl...this is about gathering correct data for workable solutions...
Markk wrote:
Jersey Girl...this is about gathering correct data for workable solutions...
Jersey Girl wrote...It seems as though you think there's no way to gather correct data.
Gadianton wrote:for those left interacting, don't get sucked into thinking anything is being said of relevance to the actual lahsa data, which is probably the only real data available to discuss for LA -- if it's horribly flawed, then no worthwhile discussion can be had on this topic. here is their methodology:
https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=1645 ... report.pdf
It would take me some time to work through that and give it a fair summary as this isn't my world. It is extraordinarily unlikely this material could be dumbed down to a level that certain individuals could even understand it, let alone discuss honestly. So happy reading to the real stalwarts.
Markk wrote:Plus, of the almost 60k estimated homeless, only 5k to 7k are actually interviewed.
Markk wrote:
I'll dumb it down for you.
The survey is conducted on three nights over LA county, which is over 4K square miles, with 10 million people... by volunteers with 30 minutes of training. Of the estimated 60k some homeless in the county...5k to 7k are actually surveyed, and then just simply asked by the volunteer if they have a "problematic" substance abuse problem. The rest of the count is just a visual count, at night or early morning, and assuming numbers in cars and tents and other makeshift shelters.
Markk wrote:Gadianton wrote:for those left interacting, don't get sucked into thinking anything is being said of relevance to the actual lahsa data, which is probably the only real data available to discuss for LA -- if it's horribly flawed, then no worthwhile discussion can be had on this topic. here is their methodology:
https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=1645 ... report.pdf
It would take me some time to work through that and give it a fair summary as this isn't my world. It is extraordinarily unlikely this material could be dumbed down to a level that certain individuals could even understand it, let alone discuss honestly. So happy reading to the real stalwarts.
I'll dumb it down for you.
The survey is conducted on three nights over LA county, which is over 4K square miles, with 10 million people... by volunteers with 30 minutes of training. Of the estimated 60k some homeless in the county...5k to 7k are actually surveyed, and then just simply asked by the volunteer if they have a "problematic" substance abuse problem. The rest of the count is just a visual count, at night or early morning, and assuming numbers in cars and tents and other makeshift shelters.
grindael wrote:Markk, did the people in the building (including Perry Mason) have anywhere else to go? Did you try to recruit them to help clean up the building and surrounding area? Perhaps giving them food or money to do so, or simply tell them that if they didn't police it, you would call the cops and have them forceably removed?
Have you ever been truly homeless for an extended period of time? Had any kind of serious addiction?
What makes you think that the majority of homeless people are totally irredeemable?
Markk wrote:grindael wrote:Markk, did the people in the building (including Perry Mason) have anywhere else to go? Did you try to recruit them to help clean up the building and surrounding area? Perhaps giving them food or money to do so, or simply tell them that if they didn't police it, you would call the cops and have them forceably removed?
Have you ever been truly homeless for an extended period of time? Had any kind of serious addiction?
What makes you think that the majority of homeless people are totally irredeemable?
I still see some of them walking around, or riding bikes...some stay at at Park down the road. I never saw Perry again.
I did give some money and food to a few. I gave all I had on me yesterday to a homeless man yesterday at OC county hall. I also had a homeless ministry for years, where I feed folks out of my own pocket. Yes I had addiction issues, and yes I was kinda homeless, but not chronically for a year and a half.
I could not recruit them for several reasons...one, it would take work away from a existing employee, two, they would not pass a drug test.
I am getting slammed here because I used my personal experience as opinion...Gad is hanging his hat on a survey and my experience mean nothing.