Trump's War on Children

[_Gunnar]

I’ve never seen an Administration riddled with so many whiny, vindictive and immature folks as this one.

Amen!

[_Gunnar]

Gunnar,

Do you advocate unfettered and open immigration?

- Doc

My reply to that is virtually the same as Hawkeye's.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ok. I'll note that two posters are on record as supporting an unusually cruel system of illegal immigration that violates human rights, robs people of their democratic voices, and enslaves them at an economic disadvantage because they have no recourse since they're not citizens.

Totally not racist, though...

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Some will sneak through and many will return back to their country after they've made enough money.

What about those who cannot go home again? You're forgetting an entire group of people, aren't you?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Look, I'm guilty of not sourcing my assertions, like Hawkeye and Gunnar aren't doing, because I've seen this play out so many times it's ideological turtles all the way down. I'd just recommend lurkers take the time to research the issue. I've noticed more often then not when something is called something with the intent to stigmatize it in order to delegitimze it, it's because they fear the truth.

eta: I should note that Hawkeye is in support of the pre-Trump status quo, which was unusually cruel, resulted in many unnecessary deaths of men, women, and children in our deserts, and, yes, resulted in families being torn apart along the lines of what's happening now. It also resulted in millions living here in fear, never having their voices being represented in our democracy, and were/are second class citizens.

But, they can really knock out some sheet rock on the cheap, no?

Totally not racist, though...

- Doc

As you well know, my comment was in the context of your remark about "supporting open borders." I don't believe we should have open borders, but that doesn't mean I "support" all of the problems you mentioned above, most of which have nothing to do with immigration policy. And families being "torn apart along the lines of what's happening now" simply isn't.

Here is a group of 8 Liberals who obviously don't care about Mexican lives. Providing water stations in the deserts because all they really want are future Liberal voters. Amirite?

You literally posted that you want things to go back to as they were. It is what it is. You should own your position since you yourself, if I'm not mistaken, have availed yourself of some of them real good work ethic types.

It's kind of like Ajax waffling on being a racist. He should just own it. It makes you look disingenuous when you state that you're totally-not-a-racist while supporting an openly racist illegal immigration policy that results in the aboved-mentioned travesties.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

but looking to circumvent immigration laws in the US and then being detained, with or without your kids (pick one Liberals) is 100% not her fault. .

- Doc

Hey, this one made Federalist Pitch Bot:

"First you say you don't want children and babies in prison *without* their parents. Next you say you don't want children and babies in prison *with* their parents. Okay liberals, I'm beginning to suspect that you just don't want children and babies in prison *at all*."

Congrats.

[_Gunnar]

Ok. I'll note that two posters are on record as supporting an unusually cruel system of illegal immigration that violates human rights, robs people of their democratic voices, and enslaves them at an economic disadvantage because they have no recourse since they're not citizens.

Totally not racist, though...

- Doc

Doc, that totally and unfairly mischaracterizes our position, and I think you know that. You usually make much more sense than that, and I have often admired your contributions to this forum. I will leave further comment on this last, disappointing post of yours to Hawkeye (if he cares to). He is more eloquent than I.

[Guest]

Ok. I'll note that two posters are on record as supporting an unusually cruel system of illegal immigration that violates human rights, robs people of their democratic voices, and enslaves them at an economic disadvantage because they have no recourse since they're not citizens.

Totally not racist, though...

- Doc

And you'll note, again, incorrectly. If you really believed that is what we said you wouldn't feel the need t keep "noting" our alleged positions. You're just saying what you wished we would say to make your little trolling game complete. You seem to have a weird fetish about criticism of racism. Can't imagine why.

[Guest]

You literally posted that you want things to go back to as they were.

And for the second time, this was within the context of immigration policy. Recently there was a policy mandating all immigrants be tried as criminals and families separated. That never existed under Obama. To suggest this must mean I support people dying in the desert makes you look like a substupid clone. And I'm still waiting for you to support your assertion that families were torn apart "along the same lines" as they were under Trump's policy. I mean, you wouldn't be just making crap up would you?

It is what it is. You should own your position since you yourself, if I'm not mistaken, have availed yourself of some of them real good work ethic types.

You're mistaken by attributing positions I don't hold. I've corrected your twice now, so let's see what level of integrity you're going to respond with here.

It's kind of like Ajax waffling on being a racist. He should just own it. It makes you look disingenuous when you state that you're totally-not-a-racist while supporting an openly racist illegal immigration policy that results in the aboved-mentioned travesties.- Doc

The only person looking disingenuous here is you. You've twice tried to frame my and Gunnar's positions to suit your preferred straw man. We've twice rejected your characterization but that just throws your game off, huh? Better just to reiterate what you know isn't true and pretend we agreed with you, because I mean God forbid you be wrong about something.

You know, you used to bitch at people for complaining about issues without offering solutions. You admittedly have no solution yourself, but you're now going to complain with others offer their own. Better to just sit around and defend racism huh.

[_honorentheos]

Honor,

Your solution is to throw more billions at the adjudicative process, no? What kind of internment do you propose for Japanese Americans illegal immigrants and their families while they are waiting for and during their, uh, adjudicative process?

- Doc

No, idiot. That was so far off of what I said it leaves no other possibility than you didn't actual read it. OK.

If a person feels there is no form of asylum seeking that's legitimate, and only approves of limited immigration that fails to improve on our existing immigration practise, that person is going to be frustrated with reality no matter which aspect of it one points out. It seems that's the boat you're in.