Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_Gunnar]

The reality is Kavanaugh is going to be confirmed unless Republicans become convinced doing so will cause too much harm to midterm election chances. They don't particularly care if allegations are true or not. The Republican President of the US definitely assualted multiple women and there's not even a peep about that from the Republican caucus. People sometimes forget that Congress can investigate that if they want to.

When it comes to other allegations regarding Kavanaugh being deceptive about shady partisan behavior, that wasn't going to impact election chances. It's a big deal, but in Trumplandia, it is a mid-tier scandal that wasn't penetrating.

I can't help getting the impression that the main reason why allegations of sexual assault and misconduct often get so little traction with the current administration is the same reason why they are so unmoved by allegations of dishonesty and lying under oath. So many of them (including Trump, himself) are vulnerable to both kinds of charges themselves, and would be forced out of office if they were openly and impartially investigated.

[_Xenophon]

Sure. He's trotted out every time the Left now wants to show how incredibly ethical they are. If I list of 20 current and past Democratic sex scandals do you think this will sway anyone's mind?

- Doc

You'll find no disagreement with me that Democrats have not always been the best at handling these kinds of things. You may not see it that way but I view society as a whole being less forgiving of these kinds of behavior as a positive move.

As I said earlier in this thread (or the other Kavanaugh thread) I think there may be some confusion as to what believing the victim (both male and female) does entail and that it is probably a pretty natural pendulum swing caused by years of under believing and that needs to be curtailed. But generally I view the cultural shift as a plus.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Sure. He's trotted out every time the Left now wants to show how incredibly ethical they are. If I list of 20 current and past Democratic sex scandals do you think this will sway anyone's mind?

- Doc

You'll find no disagreement with me that Democrats have not always been the best at handling these kinds of things. You may not see it that way but I view society as a whole being less forgiving of these kinds of behavior as a positive move.

As I said earlier in this thread (or the other Kavanaugh thread) I think there may be some confusion as to what believing the victim (both male and female) does entail and that it is probably a pretty natural pendulum swing caused by years of under believing and that needs to be curtailed. But generally I view the cultural shift as a plus.

What's my confusion? I'm seeing comments on sltrib's articles covering the story outright calling Kavanaugh a rapist.

- Doc

[_subgenius]

The reality is Kavanaugh is going to be confirmed unless Republicans become convinced doing so will cause too much harm to midterm election chances. They don't particularly care if allegations are true or not. The Republican President of the US definitely assualted multiple women and there's not even a peep about that from the Republican caucus. People sometimes forget that Congress can investigate that if they want to.

When it comes to other allegations regarding Kavanaugh being deceptive about shady partisan behavior, that wasn't going to impact election chances. It's a big deal, but in Trumplandia, it is a mid-tier scandal that wasn't penetrating.

I can't help getting the impression that the main reason why allegations of sexual assault and misconduct often get so little traction with the current administration is the same reason why they are so unmoved by allegations of dishonesty and lying under oath. So many of them (including Trump, himself) are vulnerable to both kinds of charges themselves, and would be forced out of office if they were openly and impartially investigated.

[_subgenius]

....it is probably a pretty natural pendulum swing caused by years of under believing and that needs to be curtailed. But generally I view the cultural shift as a plus.

"pretty natural pendulum swing"?
Like how there was time when a woman could say he raped me, and because the accused was black, guilty! ; and then the pendulum swung over to "perhaps a fair trial after a credible accusation is better than lynching" (a.k.a. "under-believing"); and now the pendulum is headed to when a woman could say he raped me, and because the accused was :select one:( RepublicanWhiteWealthy), guilty!

"plus" indeed.

[_Xenophon]

What's my confusion? I'm seeing comments on sltrib's articles covering the story outright calling Kavanaugh a rapist.

- Doc

Not your confusion, confusion from the general public. It probably would have been clearer if I had linked to my original comments.

[_Black Moclips]

Yeah, the two situations aren't similar......the allegations against Clinton are waaaaay worse than Kavanaugh. Here is a summary regarding Bill in case your forgot:

https://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10722580/bill-clinton-juanita-broaddrick

Interesting read. Yet how many on the left, right this very second, would take Bill back in the White House over Trump? I would venture to say most of you here on these boards would in a nano-second. You would overlook this lengthy list "again" and believe it is worth it. I mean Hillary's complicit role with Bill and active role against his accusers over the years is well known, yet how many here decided to vote for her anyway?

I want good, honest men and women in government. But sadly, I think there are scant few on either side. Every dirty thing that can be done, has been done, by both sides. If it were up to me, I would get rid of everyone and somehow start over.

I have no idea if Kavanaugh did what he was accused of. It is certainly in the realm of possibility that he did. It is also in the realm of possibility that he didn't do it, and this is a dirty hail Mary by the left to prevent the court from tipping at all costs. You have to admit its a possibility. And no investigation will be able to "conclude" anything in a he said-she said, 35 year-old allegation. We are all just left with our biases, imperfect information, and judgment.

[_Xenophon]

"pretty natural pendulum swing"?
Like how there was time when a woman could say he raped me, and because the accused was black, guilty! ; and then the pendulum swung over to "perhaps a fair trial after a credible accusation is better than lynching" (a.k.a. "under-believing"); and now the pendulum is headed to when a woman could say he raped me, and because the accused was :select one:( RepublicanWhiteWealthy), guilty!

"plus" indeed.

No, more along the lines of "He sexual assaulted you you say? Are you sure you weren't acting provocatively, wearing the wrong clothes, in the wrong part of town, misunderstood the situation" to "lets actually investigate claims without placing blame at a victims feet". You sure are loving that Mockingbird reference though, maybe if you link the image just one more time your point will come across.

[_ajax18]

You have to admit its a possibility. And no investigation will be able to "conclude" anything in a he said-she said, 35 year-old allegation.

especially when it appears they were all under the influence at the time

[_Some Schmo]

Yet how many on the left, right this very second, would take Bill back in the White House over Trump?

This is an unfair question. I'd take a rabid gorilla over Drumpf right this very second. Hell, I'd even take Pence.

I am no fan of (either) Clinton, but at least he wouldn't have the UN laughing at him.