do I understand the definition of a woman?

The Off-Topic forum for anything non-LDS related, such as sports or politics. Rated PG through PG-13.
Post Reply
Markk
First Presidency
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:49 am

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by Markk »

doubtingthomas wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 3:22 am
Markk wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 12:11 pm
are somehow a biological woman
To be very clear, I did NOT say that. I do think that a person with complete androgen insensitivity is a biological male who has a vagina, a clitoris, female breasts, and tumor-like underdeveloped testicles somewhere in the belly.

So answer my question, Is a true gonadal intersex person a biological man or a biological woman?
Well baby steps are good, you finally admit that a person with CAIS is a biological male,,,In other words, not a female…unless they decide to identify as one. That really was not that hard DT.

Like I wrote, a intersex person carries a mutation or disease that has affected their body probably caused by pesticide, at least according to your link. I would assume they are are neither male or female medically speaking, in that their body is skewed do too a abnormality and mutation. We do know, again according to your link that you obviously did not read, is that it is a sort of mutation or abnormal result of a union between a biological man and woman, again probably because of an ingested poison. But to answer your question, medically speaking they are neither male or female but “intersex”…so again they have to decide whether to identify as either male or female, which is typically assigned by the doctor or they can identify as being intersexual. Is that fair, no….is it easy to accept…no…is it a true biological fact…yes.

So please give me your summary and conclusion of CAIS and PAIS as I have given you..and why are you a biological male ?
Themis
Elder
Posts: 321
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by Themis »

Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:59 am
And what is an adult female human being? Please don't give me circular reasoning.
A woman. It is a biological woman….if healthy, a woman that can reproduce and carry forward all the traits or a woman naturally without any medical help.
That's not a definition I am familiar from the ancients. They didn't consider the ability to get pregnant as a qualification to be a woman or female biologically. If one had breasts and a vagina they were female period. Having and XY chromosome but developing breasts and a vagina meant they were female and not male. This is how people and societies defined sex and gender for thousands of years. Even today if one has an XY but develops breasts and a vagina we usually assign them as female biologically and socially. If you had bothered to read some of the quotes from experts people have provided you would realize for a small number of people biological sex ends up being fuzzy.
honorentheos
God
Posts: 4265
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:15 am

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by honorentheos »

Markk -

Do you believe that human beings are an evolved species sharing a common ancestor with other life on Earth'? Or are we specially created as a species?
doubtingthomas
God
Posts: 2990
Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:04 pm

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by doubtingthomas »

Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 am

I would assume they are are neither male or female medically speaking, in that their body is skewed do too a abnormality and mutation.
Oh my God! Oh my God! Is it the end of the world?

Are you saying that not everyone has a biological sex?
Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 am
probably because of an ingested poison.
Probably? What is the biological sex of someone with "X0" or "XXY" chromosomes? Is someone with "XXX" chromosomes a female porn star?
Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 am
That really was not that hard DT.
When did I say a person with CAIS is not a biological male? The problem is that you are not reading carefully what I am asking and saying. It is not hard to carefully read something. :geek:
Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 am
you would realize for a small number of people biological sex ends up being fuzzy.
Jesus Christ! When did I deny that? You are adding too many words to my mouth.
Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 am
And the in the belly tumor is just another lame straw-man you just started
See, you keep adding words to my mouth. When did I say it was a "belly tumor" or a "tumor"? Show me. It is obvious you are not carefully reading what I am saying and you simply add words to my mouth.
Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:59 am

A woman. It is a biological woman….if healthy, a woman that can reproduce and carry forward all the traits or a woman naturally without any medical help.
Markk! I am not asking to explain what a healthy woman is. I am asking you to define a "biological woman". And just because some women can't reproduce doesn't mean they are unhealthy, you have some issues Markk.

What is a "biological woman"?
Last edited by doubtingthomas on Wed May 11, 2022 8:55 pm, edited 7 times in total.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus. :roll:
doubtingthomas
God
Posts: 2990
Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:04 pm

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by doubtingthomas »

honorentheos wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 5:36 am
Markk -

Do you believe that human beings are an evolved species sharing a common ancestor with other life on Earth'? Or are we specially created as a species?

Markk just said, "I would assume they are are neither male or female medically speaking, in that their body is skewed do too a abnormality and mutation"

Markk's god is a butthole.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus. :roll:
Markk
First Presidency
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:49 am

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by Markk »

honorentheos wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 5:36 am
Markk -

Do you believe that human beings are an evolved species sharing a common ancestor with other life on Earth'? Or are we specially created as a species?
Start a thread on evolution if you like, and i will join in if we ever get done here.
User avatar
Doctor CamNC4Me
God
Posts: 9682
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by Doctor CamNC4Me »

Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:32 am
So please give me your summary and conclusion of CAIS and PAIS as I have given you..and why are you a biological male ?
Image

- Doc
Donald Trump doesn’t know who is third in line for the Presidency.
Markk
First Presidency
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:49 am

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by Markk »

Oh my God! Oh my God! Is it the end of the world?

Are you saying that not everyone has a biological sex?
What I am saying is that a male and or female fetus has been skewed and messed up.And as a result have a mixed bag of genes. Which does not in anyway keep us from defining what a “heathy unimpaired” male or female is.
When did I say a person with CAIS is not a biological male? The problem is that you are not reading carefully what I am asking and saying. It is not hard to carefully read something. :geek:
No th e problem is you can’t have a honest discussion and summarize your position and thoughts. You get flustered and have to resort to an ad-hom type of conversation…which just reinforces my position. You have been waffling back and forth so what you position is difficult at best to understand. So once again please summarize your position, as i have, in that we have pretty much gone full circle.

A biological woman/female is the being that naturally conceive and brings for other beings…I have said this several ways…if you don’t understand this, and how people are created and brought forth I have a long er road explaining this than I thought.

You ducked my question…you said of course you are a biological man…”why…what makes you a biological man?”
honorentheos
God
Posts: 4265
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:15 am

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by honorentheos »

Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 11:49 am
honorentheos wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 5:36 am
Markk -

Do you believe that human beings are an evolved species sharing a common ancestor with other life on Earth'? Or are we specially created as a species?
Start a thread on evolution if you like, and i will join in if we ever get done here.
It matters to this thread.
Themis
Elder
Posts: 321
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm

Re: do I understand the definition of a woman?

Post by Themis »

Markk wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 12:17 pm
A biological woman/female is the being that naturally conceive and brings for other beings…I have said this several ways
I know a number of biological woman/females that cannot conceive. I suspect in reality you would still consider them women.
Post Reply