Atlanticmike wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:16 pm
Are you actually telling me they didn't have roofs 200 years ago!?!? Of course the had roofers, ding dong!! The guy who climbed on top of the house and installed the roof was the roofer. The next day he might be the butcher, who knows. What are you talking about??
You got it. There were no ‘roofers’. Anyone who built a house also put on their own roof. They didn’t call Atlanticmike the Roofer to come and lay up some rafters and slap on the shingles. Your job exists because of the same sort of mass production and specialization that has allowed the worldwide population to expand by another 50% since 200 years ago.
But, I’m sure that you’re going to tell me next that we can ditch the roofing industry, and go back to letting everyone make their own roofs, underlayment and shingles … because that’s more energy efficient. Right? : )
You didn't answer the question!! How did humans raise chickens 200 years ago without all the modern conveniences we have today? It's not about what I'm familiar with, it's that what I'm speaking about as far as chickens has been done for thousands of years. You're conveniently leaving that out of the equation.
No one in this thread has claimed that chickens weren’t around 200 years ago. But, since you asked, chickens are indeed more often consumed today (via mass production) versus 200 years ago, when they factored into the diet
much less frequently. Per
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-top ... umed-meat/
“ For most of American history, poultry and eggs were luxury foods. Chicken traditionally was far more expensive than beef or pork—after all, you needed grain to feed chickens, but cows could grow on grass and pigs could grow on garbage. For the first half of the twentieth century, the average person ate twenty pounds of chicken or less per year (approximately six chickens). By 1964, chicken had become more of a staple and people were consuming over a half pound per week—up to twenty-five to thirty pounds per year. Since then, we have continued to increase our chicken consumption almost every single year. As a result, chicken is now the number-one meat in the nation, with the average person consuming an estimated two pounds per person per week, or roughly one hundred pounds (thirty chickens) per year. In 2015, the average household ate chicken three to four times per week.”
You should read that whole page. You’ll see that raising chickens was never particularly easy 200 years ago, neither was it ever a primary source of a rural family’s meat. If not
then, why do you think that it can be now, in
urban settings?
""Most folks can't"" Are you actually trying to say there weren't any big populated cities around the world 200 years ago? And if there were, they must of all been vegetarians because people who live close together can't figure out a way to raise meat? You sure are full of excuses canpakes! Apartment buildings in Roman times were called insulaes. Yes canpakes, apartments have been around for thousands of years. Are you going to tell everyone that if people lived in apartments 1000 years ago they had to be vegetarians because there was no way to raise chickens?
Nope. Read up on history. Chickens weren’t being raised in
insulae.
And, chickens weren’t being raised in the tenements of the 1800’s. Read up on that history, too. Tenement living in the 1800’s was super-cramped, dark, and without electricity or plumbing. NYC’s Tenement House Act of 1867 finally mandated a minimum of one ‘toilet’ per 20 people, and regulations requiring at least one window within each living area weren’t mandated until the 1900s.
And, there’s probably no-one that you know who lives in an apartment building today who raises chickens, mainly because they need space to scratch and crap. Sure, you can
try it - if your apartment manager allows you to - but the time and care requirements are more demanding, for less payout -
https://grist.org/article/2011-10-04-ca ... apartment/
Now that the distraction of raising chickens has been cleared away, tell me what it was about any climate legislation that you’re fearful of, or why teaching kids about how to be resource-smart is a bad thing. What I’m particular has you so worked up about ‘climate change’?