Obamacare: Walked into my local bank branch today and....

[_Droopy]

Speaking of credibility, have you repaid the money you "stole" from us?

?

[_beastie]

....12 employees, 3 managers. Managers, one full time two part time. Employees, six full and six part. That was before the election cemented Obamacare.

Now, after the election: Two managers, both part time. Eight employees. All part time. No insurance benefits. Must purchase on own with reduced salary or no salary for those (a full third of the workforce) who were fired.

That is the plan, to make everyone rely on the government (go on welfare, the government insurance plans, etc.) in order to control them and buy their vote.

I imagine this made quite a splash in the news. Reference, please.

[_beastie]

Speaking of credibility, have you repaid the money you "stole" from us?

?

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[_Jaybear]

Incorrect. If the bank now has to cover everyone, the cost increase is enormous. You don't seem to have any business acumen or economic literacy at all. I have a minor in economics by the way.

So what is the name of this bank that offers insurance to some but not all of its full time employees?

Which full time employees did this imaginary bank exclude from the insurance plan? Redheads? Short people? Mormons with acne?

[_Droopy]

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What's your point (and yes, in the last 35 years, out of about three years in the system, I've far more than paid back what I used)?

Using the system, out of last ditch need and under the circumstances in which that need arose, and agreeing with that system, and understanding that that system is irredeemably corrupt, has far more negative effects than good, and incentivizes precisely the wrong values and behaviors, and that a far better system could be created and administered upon far better fundamental principles and assumptions, are two very different things.

I, unlike you and most leftists, do not think or vote with my belly, but upon principle. I know that for you, as for most other liberals here, this is well beyond your comprehension, but I place it here anyway for the record.

[_EAllusion]

Forward!

It's become popular in hard right circles to deride the motto "Forward" as a crypto-Marxist / pink rallying cry, especially since Obama incorporated it. It was a common slogan of German progressives. Wisconsin, being heavily founded by those people, has Forward as its state motto. And it's not an obscure motto like some are. It's something Wisconsinites take pride in and hear often. It's used in political campaigns as commonly as flag pins are used in national ones. As such, Scott Walker has used the Forward phrase frequently in his electioneering. I think his main gimmick slogan is something like "Moving Wisconsin FORWARD." I find the tension in his hero status among the people who mock the phrase to be funny.

[_Gadianton]

I, unlike you and most leftists, do not think or vote with my belly, but upon principle.

I actually do believe you vote based on principle D. But, based on the little I know about the leftists on this board who you generally argue with, they're all middle-class+, I think they're well within the noble 53% and have little to gain from any free handouts. Do you disagree?

[_Jason Bourne]

....12 employees, 3 managers. Managers, one full time two part time. Employees, six full and six part. That was before the election cemented Obamacare.

Now, after the election: Two managers, both part time. Eight employees. All part time. No insurance benefits. Must purchase on own with reduced salary or no salary for those (a full third of the workforce) who were fired.

That is the plan, to make everyone rely on the government (go on welfare, the government insurance plans, etc.) in order to control them and buy their vote.

I am skeptical. Also a branch of a bank is not a stand alone company but part of a larger corporation that already likely has more than 50 employees. Either you are lying or the bank made cuts that had nothing to do with ACA and you are shamelessly exploiting this.

[_Jason Bourne]

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It's not my belief or the employees belief. The bank communicated to the employees as much. The same is happening with a large portion of my clientele.
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Large? My firm has hundreds of clients and not one that I am aware of his laid off employees due to ACA.

[_Jason Bourne]

Don't worry about it. Jaybear doesn't have his finger on the pulse like I do nor the experience I have talking to business and going with my Dad to testify before Congress and many state Congresses on these very issues. The fact of the matter is that Romney won the middle-class and higher in the election demographics including seniors. Almost everyone below that is now going to pay a severe price for their loyalty to Obama. They will soon see that the Republicans had their best interest in mind all along. In my area, most are conservatives, but the people at this bank are a microcosm of what's happening to people who make less than 50K a year; Obama's tax hike on them.

Oh by the way, here is how emails to me from my clients typically begin these days:

Good Morning Brian,

I hope that you had a wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday.

We are currently reviewing all of our Health Care options now that it appears that the Health Care reform is going to take place.

Which always means, "We need to cut costs and avoid paying the Obamacare tax" (as the court so kindly reminded us it was).

No the email means just that. Looking at options. We are too. My firm employs 200 people. We provide health insurance and at pay a large portion of the premium. We are looking at ACA to make sure our plans qualify, if not what the additional cost might be and what the penalty is if we do not provide insurance. I will be honest and I discussed this with our COO today, we will look at whether the penalty for not providing insurance is cheaper than what we do now. And it may be. We will also look at whether we will incur additional costs. We won't be able to lay off employees to get to below 50 and we cannot make enough people go full time. My guess is we our current plan will qualify and we will keep it in place even if the penalty if you do not provide insurance is cheaper because what we do now attracts and retains employees.