In Washington state welfare family of four is 562 dollars month. work at minimum wage gross 1580.month. There are a few states, such as California and New York with higher welfare rates, most states I understand, have lower rates,
The value of the full package of welfare benefits for a typical recipient in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia exceeds the poverty level. Because welfare benefits are tax-free, their dollar value is often greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.
In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00 an hour job.
In 17 states the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00 an hour job.
In Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, New York, and Rhode Island welfare pays more than a $12.00 an hour job--or two and a half times the minimum wage.
In nine states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher.
In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary.
And in the six most generous states it pays more than the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit.
For the hard-core welfare recipient, the value of the full range of welfare benefits substantially exceeds the amount the recipient could earn in an entry-level job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work, thus increasing long-term dependence.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
In Washington state welfare family of four is 562 dollars month. work at minimum wage gross 1580.month. There are a few states, such as California and New York with higher welfare rates, most states I understand, have lower rates,
The value of the full package of welfare benefits for a typical recipient in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia exceeds the poverty level. Because welfare benefits are tax-free, their dollar value is often greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.
In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00 an hour job.
In 17 states the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00 an hour job.
In Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, New York, and Rhode Island welfare pays more than a $12.00 an hour job--or two and a half times the minimum wage.
In nine states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher.
In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary.
And in the six most generous states it pays more than the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit.
For the hard-core welfare recipient, the value of the full range of welfare benefits substantially exceeds the amount the recipient could earn in an entry-level job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work, thus increasing long-term dependence.
These figures are from 1995.
Show me a state where someone can get the maximum amount of welfare benefits without either being in an education program or proving they are actively seeking work...or being in some way incapable of work.
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And, for the record, I'm a fan of making legal immigration easier to prevent illegals from being taken advantage of.
So you leglize 20 million illegal immigrants. That's been done 3 times in the past 15 years. You're just going to get 20 million more illegals who replace them. That doesn't solve anything. It just makes the American taxpayer responsible for taking care of more people.
I'd suggest that you view the situation in the opposite of reality--taxpayers don't take care of "illegals"--"illegals" take care of taxpayers. The "illegals" are the ones doing the jobs that legals don't want to do.
Furthermore, it is incorrect to juxtapose "illegals" with taxpayers--illegals are tax payers too.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
The "illegals" are the ones doing the jobs that legals don't want to do.
That's the problem. The legals should have to do those jobs before there is anymore welfare handed out. Do you think that when the illegals become legal they're going to choose work over welfare out of some higher morality they possess as Latinos? No, they're going to move to welfare and even more illegals will be brought in to do the jobs that the now legal Americans will not do.
Furthermore, it is incorrect to juxtapose "illegals" with taxpayers--illegals are tax payers too.
What sales tax? They're going to take much more in social welfare than they'll ever contribute in taxes.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Show me a state where someone can get the maximum amount of welfare benefits without either being in an education program or proving they are actively seeking work...or being in some way incapable of work.
I don't think people should be allowed to have kids that don't have a way to take care of them. I also think that if you're healthy enough to work, age shouldn't mean you don't have to work anymore or that you get to go on permanent vacation. Working for a living sucks but that's life and I hate people who connive a way out of it at my expense as a middle class taxpayer.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Show me a state where someone can get the maximum amount of welfare benefits without either being in an education program or proving they are actively seeking work...or being in some way incapable of work.
I don't think people should be allowed to have kids that don't have a way to take care of them. I also think that if you're healthy enough to work, age shouldn't mean you don't have to work anymore or that you get to go on permanent vacation. Working for a living sucks but that's life and I hate people who connive a way out of it at my expense as a middle class taxpayer.
You mean, like, having the government control who gets to have kids?
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ajax18 wrote:What sales tax? They're going to take much more in social welfare than they'll ever contribute in taxes.
Sales tax, social security tax, income tax. Remember, these are people with fake social security cards, meaning they are required to pay every tax you and I are, but they can never draw on the benefits of them.
The "illegals" are the ones doing the jobs that legals don't want to do.
That's the problem. The legals should have to do those jobs before there is anymore welfare handed out. Do you think that when the illegals become legal they're going to choose work over welfare out of some higher morality they possess as Latinos? No, they're going to move to welfare and even more illegals will be brought in to do the jobs that the now legal Americans will not do.
Do you know how racist you sound? It sounds like you are saying Latinos are natural criminals who produce useful goods and services for society because doing so is against the law. As soon as they can work without breaking the law, they’ll no longer be motivated to do so. Isn’t that basically how you see them?
I believe reality is just the opposite. Give our hard-working people the opportunity to do whatever they want, and they’ll become entrepreneurs and job creators.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
Honestly I didn't intend to be racist. I can show you real racism if you're still having trouble seeing the difference. Race has nothing to do with this issue. There's white people on welfare that need to be working and hispanic people who will also choose welfare over work if given the oppurtunity with citizenship. Citizens don't refuse to do the jobs currently done by illegals just because they're lazy. They refuse to do it because the jobs don't pay enough compared to what welfare pays. With no real border security, there will always be more illegal immigrants with fewer rights willing to work for less.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Honestly I didn't intend to be racist. I can show you real racism if you're still having trouble seeing the difference. Race has nothing to do with this issue. There's white people on welfare that need to be working and hispanic people who will also choose welfare over work if given the oppurtunity with citizenship. Citizens don't refuse to do the jobs currently done by illegals just because they're lazy. They refuse to do it because the jobs don't pay enough compared to what welfare pays. With no real border security, there will always be more illegal immigrants with fewer rights willing to work for less.
So the idea is that the only reason they work is because welfare isn't available; despite how they've demonstrated their work ethic by coming here and working, they'd really prefer to be on the dole if given the chance.
I simply disagree. By getting citizenship, they'd also receive the opportunity to get better jobs and build strong, legitimate businesses, would they not? Why would hard-working people chose the dole over the American Dream?
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.