Global Warming: Overestimated

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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Brad Hudson wrote:
Sea level is rising at roughly same rate its been rising for centuries, and the most likely rate of increase over the next century is approximately 10.16 to 15.14 cm over the next century - 4 -6 inches.

Sea level has been rising continuously for the last 14,000 years, since the end of the last major glacial period, and is going to continue to do so as the earth continues to recover from that last glacial age.


Source?


http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley ... mating.pdf

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 1/abstract

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 7/abstract

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10. ... 2.0.CO%3B2

Etc., etc., etc.

ETA: while you're at it, source for global warming stopped a couple of decades ago. Or did you run the stats yourself?


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/19/c ... ar-future/
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Brad Hudson wrote:
Yeah, because comments from random internet people always Trump science. :rolleyes:



No Brad, because there's not a shred of compelling empirical scientific evidence for the hypothesis. The entire edifice has been built upon computer model projections, computer models that have long been known to be virtually worthless when used for this purpose.

They've also been shown to have been spectacularly wrong in all their major prognostications thus far. Perhaps even a blind motherboard will eventually find a nut, though.
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Keep in mind that this is the attitude and mentality the world is facing at the hands of the "progressives."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... TTknP8t7JU
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Droopy wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:
Yeah, because comments from random internet people always Trump science. :rolleyes:



No Brad, because there's not a shred of compelling empirical scientific evidence for the hypothesis. The entire edifice has been built upon computer model projections, computer models that have long been known to be virtually worthless when used for this purpose.

They've also been shown to have been spectacularly wrong in all their major prognostications thus far. Perhaps even a blind motherboard will eventually find a nut, though.


The evidence is compelling to anyone who is free from a deep-seated need to defend a political/economic worldview. I've already posted a comparison of the climate science predictions on temperature with climate denier's projections, but I guess I'll do it again.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=72

Also:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/empiric ... arming.htm

The entire edifice is built on physics.
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Droopy wrote:Keep in mind that this is the attitude and mentality the world is facing at the hands of the "progressives."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... TTknP8t7JU


Red herring. Reality doesn't give a crap about what is shown on TV or posted on youtube. You can't accept the consequences of global warming because it shatters your worldview, so you just deny the facts. Sad.
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Brad Hudson wrote:The evidence is compelling to anyone who is free from a deep-seated need to defend a political/economic worldview. I've already posted a comparison of the climate science predictions on temperature with climate denier's projections, but I guess I'll do it again.


Instead, do this: produce one, single example of direct empirical evidence taken from the empirical observation of nature that supports the AGW hypothesis.

The entire edifice is built on physics.


Uh, well...no. Actually, its been primarily built on computer code.
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Brad Hudson wrote:Red herring. Reality doesn't give a crap about what is shown on TV or posted on youtube. You can't accept the consequences of global warming because it shatters your worldview, so you just deny the facts. Sad.



Its no red herring. This is the authentic mentality of the green movement, and always has been, and it was displayed here because the Left came to a point where it felt that it had gained enough political strength to rip its mask off.

Global warming is an ideology, not a scientific theory, and this is, all your projecting aside, the real reason people with your worldview cling to bitterly to it.
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Droopy wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:The evidence is compelling to anyone who is free from a deep-seated need to defend a political/economic worldview. I've already posted a comparison of the climate science predictions on temperature with climate denier's projections, but I guess I'll do it again.


Instead, do this: produce one, single example of direct empirical evidence taken from the empirical observation of nature that supports the AGW hypothesis.


OK, but I don't want to play special pleading all evening, so please define your terms "AGW hypothesis" "direct empirical evidence" and "empirical observation of nature" and "supports." Also, so I understand what you are asking, please give me an example of the kind of direct empirical evidence one would expect to find if the AGW hypothesis were correct.
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Droopy wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:Red herring. Reality doesn't give a crap about what is shown on TV or posted on youtube. You can't accept the consequences of global warming because it shatters your worldview, so you just deny the facts. Sad.



Its no red herring. This is the authentic mentality of the green movement, and always has been, and it was displayed here because the Left came to a point where it felt that it had gained enough political strength to rip its mask off.

Global warming is an ideology, not a scientific theory, and this is, all your projecting aside, the real reason people with your worldview cling to bitterly to it.


I'm still confused. What does global warming have to do with guns, taxes, religion or welfare?

Why is this an issue for you and other uber-conservatives? If the climate is screwed up, what advantage is there in denying it?

The evidence for global warming is overwhelming. I think you know that. Why lie about it?

If you're still looking for evidence, I just did a Google on "sea level rise". Rather than quote each one, I thought I would let you peruse on your own.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=sea+level+rise&oq=sea+level+rise&gs_l=news-cc.1.0.43j0i5j43i400.3285.3285.0.5412.1.1.0.0.0.0.71.71.1.1.0...0.0...1ac.1.Hbqs_tGc6VQ
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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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Droopy wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:Red herring. Reality doesn't give a crap about what is shown on TV or posted on youtube. You can't accept the consequences of global warming because it shatters your worldview, so you just deny the facts. Sad.



Its no red herring. This is the authentic mentality of the green movement, and always has been, and it was displayed here because the Left came to a point where it felt that it had gained enough political strength to rip its mask off.

Global warming is an ideology, not a scientific theory, and this is, all your projecting aside, the real reason people with your worldview cling to bitterly to it.


LOL. Of course it's a red herring. Whether global temperatures and increasing and the causes of any change in temperature are factual questions. The facts are what they are, regardless of how political groups react to them. The fact that you reject science and try to make this all about political ideology is MASSIVE projection on your part. It's what you do, so you think everyone else does too.

The fact that you deny that global warming is even a scientific theory, when we can trace its scientific development as a theory from basic physics over the last 100 years makes you simply delusional.
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