9/11

[_subgenius]

Wow.

tMIB, don't feed the trolls

[_The Man in Black]

Methinks, we have an eacapee from the bizarro world of the LDS freedom forum.

If not an eacapee, man in black go Google it. You will fit in much better there. Most of the fine luntatic fringe conspiracy nuts over think think the moon landing a hoax, as one of the prophets (Joseph Fieldin Smith?) said man would never reach the moon.

Eta:
Found the thread. http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8201

Welcome to twidumb zone.

I was a member of LDSFF for 6 years and recently got permanently banned because of my constant remarks condemning the church's use of $3 BILLION in funds to construct a mall and also proclaiming that polygamy was and is an evil abomination of the devil and backing it up with evidence that the prophet Joseph not only did not receive revelation to practice it, but that the practice itself was attached to his good name by men close to him in the church who did want to practice it thanks to the stinking Cochranites. I was not one of those who thinks the moon landing was a hoax as there is plenty of evidence we made it. So I won't be going back there anytime soon, besides, free speech there has become a privilege for a select few on their forum anyway since the mods will warn and/or ban you if they don't like what you have to say or if they don't agree with you. And I got news for you... most of the members there are awake to our awful situation and understand what's going on in our nation politically, militarily and financially, moreso than those I've encountered here so far and many of the responses in this thread prove that. The truth about 9/11 is common knowledge for most in the LDSFF but not here.

[_The Man in Black]

Oh sweet Jesus Lawd Almighty, Subgenius you're in on this s*** too?

By the way, Man in Black, I'm an ex-Mormon, and yes I say f*** and s*** and damn, and I take the imaginary Lord's name in vain, etc.

I'm sorry - I feel sad for you Seth and not just because you insist on using profanity, but because you think God is imaginary. If that's the case, why aren't you a member on an Atheist discussion forum somewhere?

It's not that I'm evil, it's that I find the exclamations useful, and I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with a word as compared to some other word, because an Invisible Man simply doesn't like certain words.

Using the F and S words shows your true character and yes, they are heinous words that are totally inappropriate for any online discussion forum.

Gravity isn't explosive. But performing work against gravity results in potential energy. All that steel, concrete, and everything else that made up the towers was lifted up against gravity and put in place. The potential energy of all that material suspended a thousand feet above the ground is immense. Releasing it, by converting (resting) potential energy into (moving) kinetic energy by it moving back down under gravity resulted in the release of absolutely enormous amounts of energy.

Gravity CANNOT turn hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete to dust and twisted metal in 10-12 seconds. The buildings bursted into powder as they were collapsing... if you think gravity can do that, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. Please go and study the law of conservation of momentum.

How many floors were above the impact sites? All of that mass starting to move downwards creates immense momentum. When that mass impacts the floors below (still intact) the g-forces involved in trying to stop all that mass exceeded the ability of the supporting beams and whatnot to resist. The shock of that impact wasn't confined just to the floors that were first hit, either. The shock would have been transmitted all the way down to the base of the tower through the solid beams.

You're telling me that 10-15 floors can completely go right through 95-100 that were perfectly in-tact as if they weren't even there while turning the entire structure into dust and powder?

I don't know if it happened this way or not, but it's possible that the shock of the upper floors hitting the floors below caused the supporting beams to buckle and collapse all the way down at the base of the towers (since the weight of the entire buildings at that point would have been moving downward in the shockwave) leading the rest of the building to essentially free-fall from that point.

You're purporting the government's absurd fairy tale version. Are you aware that they even came up with a new phenomenon called 'thermal expansion' to explain why the truss's buckled? Again, jet fuel is 75% kerosene and does not burn hot enough to compromise the structural integrity of a steel-framed building and the fires were oxygen starved anyway and going out when they 'collapsed'. And have you seen the picture of a young woman standing in the impact hole of the north tower? Those fires were hot enough to completely destroy a 110 story building in 10-12 seconds but not hot enough to singe the hairs on a human being? OK. Here... this might make it easier for you... if you take 10 bricks and drop them on to 100 others and at the same time also drop 10 other bricks at the same height with nothing under them, which set of 10 bricks will hit the ground first?

But whatever, you've married the idea of a conspiracy, and until you divorce it, you'll be useless as a conversation partner. So I'm out.

Suit yourself... if you don't want to know or believe the truth, so be it.

[_Res Ipsa]

Wow.

tMIB, don't feed the trolls

If he didn't, he'd starve.

[_Bond James Bond]

Wow.

FYI this website is an open speech forum and is also populated primarily by critics of Mormonism so you're talking with a quite a few apostates and critics although several active Mormons as well. So that's my welcome warning.

[_Res Ipsa]

Gravity CANNOT turn hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete to dust and twisted metal in 10-12 seconds. The buildings bursted into powder as they were collapsing... if you think gravity can do that, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. Please go and study the law of conservation of momentum.

Oh, beachfront property -- well I'm convinced. How do you know what gravity can and cannot do? You obviously are ignorant of physics because you don't even understand conservation of momentum. Go and actually familiarize yourself with the law and then come back and admit you don't know what you are talking about.

[_Bond James Bond]

Leaving aside the 9/11 attack's physical evidence, the Internet was pretty well established in 2001. If there were tons of Pentagon and SEC investigations into a vast govt/Wall Street cabal's crimes isn't it safe to assume there would be off site hard copy backup of files, online backup, hard discs kept at multiple locations including the homes of these various murdered people working on the case? I'm not saying that the Bush Administration's neocons and Wall Street/Big Business didn't connive at numerous crimes (obviously the Bush Administration was full of corruption and cronyism w/r/t to war profiteering ie Halliburton) but can one attack destroy all the evidence in our modern country with the Internet?

[_lulu]

We could start here:

financial liabilities for its owner, the New York Port Authority.

No such entity, speaking of truth.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry - I feel sad for you Seth and not just because you insist on using profanity, but because you think God is imaginary. If that's the case, why aren't you a member on an Atheist discussion forum somewhere?

You have no idea what my online participation is.

Using the F and S words shows your true character and yes, they are heinous words that are totally inappropriate for any online discussion forum.

Says you.

Gravity CANNOT turn hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete to dust and twisted metal in 10-12 seconds. The buildings bursted into powder as they were collapsing... if you think gravity can do that, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. Please go and study the law of conservation of momentum.[/color]

I made it through three years of college physics before changing majors.

And to your assertion that gravity cannot turn hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete to dust and twisted metal in 10-12 seconds, well, you're simply wrong. They do it all the time.

Check this out: video of 2nd largest building ever purposefully imploded

What's that? Hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete reduced to dust and twisted metal in a few seconds? But that's impossible!

By the way, this was caused to happen by the judicious use of a few hundred pounds of high explosives to cut some load-bearing members. The rest was gravity. Or do you think that all the dust and twisted metal of that entire building was caused by a few hundred lbs of explosives?

You're telling me that 10-15 floors can completely go right through 95-100 that were perfectly in-tact as if they weren't even there while turning the entire structure into dust and powder?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm telling you. The structure of the building was made to withstand the mass of that building under a force of 1 G, ie: the force of gravity, plus some margin for safety. The 10-15 floors above the impact sites, once they started falling, experienced massive momentum in the downward direction. In order to stop that weight of steel building, all that mass would have had to have been accelerated (negative acceleration) back to zero velocity. F=MA, so figure out how much mass was in those 10-15 stories, figure out what acceleration would have been required to stop that mass from whatever velocity it had achieved by the time it hit the "intact" floors below, and then calculate the force that those supporting beams and girders would have had to withstand in order to stop it all.

I guarantee you that the forces you calculate would be far, far higher than 1 G, and, apparently, far, far higher than 1 G plus the safety margin that was built in. The proof is in the pudding: when the upper floors impacted the supporting structures of the lower, till-then still intact floors, the building structure failed to stop it, which lead to the entire structure collapsing.

Dude, this all makes sense. Even to a guy who 20 years ago dropped out of physics after three years, just thinking about it, in my comfortable chair, arguing with a idiot on the Internet.

[_lulu]

I was a member of LDSFF

Who'd have thought?