Kindergarten and the Kafkaesque

[_Brackite]

The ACLU is not that happy with the recent Supreme Court's ruling on Maryland v King. However, I fully agree with the recent Supreme Court's ruling on Maryland v King.

http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform ... g-decision

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/justice/s ... index.html

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12 ... 7_d18e.pdf

[_Darth J]

Anyway, Droopy, feel free at your convenience to explain why the ACLU regularly challenges in court things like school zero-tolerance policies and campus speech codes, what with the ACLU being a leftist communist socialist leftist liberal communist organization and all.

Its too far above your head and beyond your capacity to process either intellectually or morally, Darth.

You're a rubber chew toy to me, nothing more.

I was already aware that you are unable to explain it within the parameters of your comical worldview, but thank you for verifying that nonetheless.

[_Darth J]

Ten bucks says Droopy hasn't seen The Iron Giant, but is repeating what a George Will-esque columnist said.

Its a good thing you're not a betting man, Darth. Oh, there is the lawsuit lottery, but that's mostly weighted in your favor.

Twenty bucks says Droopy hasn't seen The Iron Giant, but is repeating what a George Will-esque columnist said.

I mention George Will because he voiced similar ludicrous criticisms of E.T.

Compared to George Will, you have the intellectual capabilities of a soggy potato chip. Not only did I see it, I bought it, and it ended on the burning pile. That's where most Hollywood product ends when leftist moral prigs use an otherwise good story to wag their pious, self-righteous fingers in my face (between tokes).

Thirty bucks says Droopy hasn't seen The Iron Giant, but is repeating what a George Will-esque columnist said.

[_Darth J]

The ACLU is not that happy with the recent Supreme Court's ruling on Maryland v King. However, I fully agree with the recent Supreme Court's ruling on Maryland v King.

http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform ... g-decision

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/justice/s ... index.html

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12 ... 7_d18e.pdf

Neither was Antonin Scalia. Therefore, Antonin Scalia is a flaming liberal.

[Guest]

I would like to learn more about the factual basis for the assertion that the ACLU is a liberal ideological group. Thanks in advance for giving me some links.

While you keep baiting the hook and expecting intelligent adults to fall into your transparently facile rhetorical traps (which is all you really ever traffic in, Darth - rhetoric), here's what you requested:


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/prin ... grpid=6145

http://books.google.com/books?id=kMnGnF ... st&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=A2dGV2 ... &q&f=false

I would like to learn more about the factual basis for the assertion that the ACLU is a liberal ideological group. Thanks in advance for giving me some links.

Just a reminder, Droopy: I do not accept your unsupported premise that opposing the religious right's efforts to impose Sharia Lite on American society makes a person a "liberal."

[_Darth J]

Droopy, tell me a court opinion by Robert Bork that you have read, and what about it spoke to you about his eminence as a jurist.

[_EAllusion]

The ACLU is not that happy with the recent Supreme Court's ruling on Maryland v King. However, I fully agree with the recent Supreme Court's ruling on Maryland v King.

http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform ... g-decision

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/justice/s ... index.html

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12 ... 7_d18e.pdf

This is a better link: http://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights- ... ic-privacy

I'm struggling to see the relevance here. Unsurprisingly, I disagree with the ruling, not because I dislike the policy outcome, though I do, but because I think it is a bad interpretation of the 4th amendment's requirements. In any case, for a thread full of tangents, this is extremely tangential to anything said here. To bring it back closer to something that has been said, Scalia wrote a scathing dissent here. Since he's siding with the ACLU, he must be a liberal's liberal. 'Cause that's how this works, apparently.

[_EAllusion]

I would like to learn more about the factual basis for the assertion that the ACLU is a liberal ideological group.

The resume-like bullet points at the top of the first link are hilarious.

[_EAllusion]

when leftist moral prigs use an otherwise good story to wag their pious, self-righteous fingers in my face (between tokes)

Good thing you don't belong to a religion that focuses on a central theme of people having free will to choose the right thing even when it seems to go against the very nature of who they are. Man there would be egg on your face if that was the case. By the way, since you didn't get it, guns in the film are intended as a symbol for war, violence and a lack of respect for life, but it isn't trying to be broadly anti-gun anymore than Lord of the Flies is trying to be anti-pork.

I wonder when The Incredibles rails against the liberal-backed self-esteem movement that dulls competition and prevents the exceptional from being recognized as such so no one feels like a loser if you are thinking about what leftist moral prig is waving their self-righteous finger in your face (between drinks).

[_MeDotOrg]

Robert Bork wrote: “Every clash between a minority claiming freedom and a majority claiming power to regulate involves a choice between the gratification of the two groups…why is sexual gratification more worthy than moral gratification? No activity that society thinks immoral is victimless. Knowledge that an activity is taking place is a harm to those who find it profoundly immoral. Unless we can distinguish forms of gratification, the only course for a principled court is to let the majority have its way in both cases. It is clear that the court cannot make the necessary distinction. There is no principled way to decide that one man’s gratifications are more deserving of respect than another’s or that one form of gratification is more worthy than another.”

I bet that ldsfaqs, to the extent that he can put together a coherent thought, feels persecuted when the government doesn't let him persecute others. After all, that's taking away his freedom, isn't it? And so we have conservative and liberal civil rights.

Thanks for the quote, EAllusion.

It is an interesting thing to ponder the implications of believing that 'no activity that society thinks immoral is victimless', and "Knowledge that an activity is taking place is a harm to those who find it completely immoral'.

So if I'm a Catholic, and I find birth control immoral, should I petition the state to outlaw birth control? Should I petition the state to outlaw divorce? Abolish meat on Fridays? If I'm a Jew, should I outlaw bacon? Should taking the Lord's name in vain be illegal? If I remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy, and someone else does not, am I the victim of a crime?

When Islamic fundamentalists beat women who are not wearing a hijab, they sometimes say "a single (exposed) hair is a dagger to the heart of Allah."

Allah made me do it.

Look at history. Look at how many times tyranny has claimed that the preservation of their own rights is predicated on the denial of those same rights to someone else. (I.E., non-whites, jews, gypsies, women, homosexuals).

That's called the 'tyranny of the majority'.