EAllusion wrote:Literacy tests were one of the chief methods of Jim Crow era voter suppression. I'm bringing it up because it didn't bar black people from voting. That would've been explicitly constitutional. Rather, it structured the law in such a way to make blacks disproportionately affected by the measure and lower their turnout as an overall % of the electorate. Are you denying that literacy tests were an effort to suppress black voting?
Whoah.
Just say it, dude.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Darth J wrote:Who said that blacks are being denied the right to vote?
You do know what Jim Crow laws are, yes? Why would he be referenced if the OP's point isn't that Blacks are being denied the right to vote.
- Doc
Post Script- Waaaaaaaait. Are you being cheeky again?
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
What is it about that site that's so difficult to understand that would prevent someone from voting?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Black people were statistically more likely to be illiterate at the time of literacy tests and this fact was used to suppress their voting numbers? I like how you won't even condemn one of the most notorious examples of racist voter suppression in American history and try to imply criticism of it itself is racist.
What is it about that site that's so difficult to understand that would prevent someone from voting?
- Doc
That doesn't address the issue. The practices being targeted are popular among African Americans in particular with the obvious goal of reducing their participation. Whether or not it will reduce their participation remains to be seen. There may be a backlash affect. But regardless of how events unroll in the future, the point is that these decisions were made expressly for the purpose of reducing the African-American vote.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Darth J wrote:Who said that blacks are being denied the right to vote?
You do know what Jim Crow laws are, yes? Why would he be referenced if the OP's point isn't that Blacks are being denied the right to vote.
- Doc
Post Script- Waaaaaaaait. Are you being cheeky again?
Apparently you don't know what Jim Crow laws are. Name one Jim Crow era law that denied blacks the right to vote outright. Mind you the 15th amendment predates Jim Crow.
While you struggle to name a single example, I'll point out that lawful voter suppression of blacks in the Jim Crow era merely targeted demographic features of blacks to suppress their turnout while not explicitly making their race a criteria of voting. These included things like literacy tests and poll taxes.
Modern voter suppression, which has become an increasing problem, doesn't focus on racial demographics, but primarily on the characteristics of Democratic voting patterns. It just so happens that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat and so get caught up in the effort to suppress their vote. Writing laws for the purpose of reducing the voter turnout of disfavored groups that substantially impact racial minorities? Gee, why would anyone compare that to Jim Crow?
EAllusion wrote: Black people were statistically more likely to be illiterate at the time of literacy tests and this fact was used to suppress their voting numbers? I like how you won't even condemn one of the most notorious examples of racist voter suppression in American history and try to imply criticism of it itself is racist.
So, you're saying Black people are largely illiterate? And that's not racist? I find your position offensive.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:Apparently you don't know what Jim Crow laws are. Name one Jim Crow era law that denied blacks the right to vote outright. Mind you the 15th amendment predates Jim Crow.
Wait.
Are you stating that I'm illiterate, too? You know... There's this thing called the Internet. On the Internet there's this nifty website called Google.
crap. What did I just type? I have no idea.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote: Black people were statistically more likely to be illiterate at the time of literacy tests and this fact was used to suppress their voting numbers? I like how you won't even condemn one of the most notorious examples of racist voter suppression in American history and try to imply criticism of it itself is racist.
So, you're saying Black people are largely illiterate? And that's not racist? I find your position offensive.
- Doc
I'm going to go ahead and interpret your obstinate misunderstanding words you are reading and unwillingness to disagree with Jim Crow era literacy requirements for voting as you being in favor of Jim Crow era tactics for voter suppression. The voting rights act of 1965 is ultimately what stopped this practice. Would you favor repealing it?
Black people were statistically more likely to be illiterate at the time of literacy tests for voter registration in the old South. While the laws were structured to stack the deck against blacks even further - for example by giving discretion to the registrar how complicated of a passage a person had to read - even if their most benign they were structured to reduce blacks as an overall % of the electorate. Pointing this out isn't racist. And given your posts in this thread, it's no surprise that you appear all in favor of its later generational equivalents.