The next developments in the collusion story

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Re: The next developments in the collusion story

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[–]ButISentYouATelegram 1450 points 10 hours ago*

Donald Jr and Sr also started tweeting about the emails for the first time on the same day as meeting the Russians - 6/9/16 - and within the same hour as each other.
Stupidgate is right.


And here's the fact checking on that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comm ... o/dk27wb6/

Okay, let's check your claim, Mr/Ms ButISentYouATelegram!

The New York Times reports that the meeting happened on June 9, 2016. I haven't seen a specific time of day reported.

Using Twitter's advanced search, Trump Sr. didn't discuss Hillary's emails for 9 months prior to this June 9, 2016 tweet sent at 1:40 PM:

https://Twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 1947556864

In the following 3 months, he had 8 tweets about her emails.

Repeating the search for DonaldJTrumpJr gives this tweet 18 minutes later at 1:58 PM on June 9, 2016:

https://Twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/stat ... 4053902336

Again, nothing before, and lots of related tweets after. Both tweets above respond to the same tweet from Hillary, but her original tweet said nothing about emails.

So, okay, I buy your claim. For the record, I suffered to get this data. I initially tried scrolling back through Trump Sr.'s Twitter and all the past horrors and lies came rolling up my screen. Nyaaarrgh! Then I had to sign up for Twitter so I could use their advanced search feature. In principle, I am now a registered Twitter user. You drove me to this. YOU.


Not that any of this matters because the Right doesn't care about our country other than making a bit of money for themselves. Unbelievable.

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subgenius wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote: You just can't do it with intelligence from a foreign government, specially one that is hostile to the United States.

Which US Law specifies this, or any, limitations for sources of opposition research?


The Logan Act:

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
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Re: The next developments in the collusion story

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Not that any of this matters because the Right doesn't care about our country.

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Yeah - This is REALLY starting to look very bad for Trump and Co.

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Jesus Trump Jr. is an idiot. I assume his lawyer is getting black out drunk right now.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.


I have to repeat beastie's previous question.

How is this NOT collusion?

Because if the above is true, it sure as hell looks like game over.


Yes it does. But the Republicans and Fox News continue to defend Trump, and continue to impede the investigation with evolving talking points: "There is no proof the Russians did it. Okay, the Russians did it, but there was no collusion. Okay, maybe there was collusion, but is collusion bad?" As long as the Republicans are united in their defense of Trump this will continue to be a partisan issue. And as long as it is a partisan issue, the likelihood of anything being done about it is slim.
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EAllusion wrote:Jesus Trump Jr. is an idiot. I assume his lawyer is getting black out drunk right now.

Begin countdown until Junior's lawyer gets a lawyer, a la Senior.

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Re: The next developments in the collusion story

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Jrs reaction is pretty priceless

NYTimes wrote:If the future president’s elder son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of an ongoing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”


And Kushner is implicated....

NYTimes wrote:Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.


And this nice little snippet from Emin, the pop star at the center of all this:

NYTimes wrote:“Emin said to me that I could tell journalists that you know he has decided to go with just a straight no comment. His reasoning for that is simply that he believes that by him commenting in any way from Russia it once again will open this debate of Trump Trump Russia. Now here’s another person from Russia. Now he’s another person from Russia. So he wants to just not comment on the story. That’s his reasoning. It’s - the story will play out however it plays out.”


As if clarity and context makes things worse.
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My comment was in reference to Trump's release of some profoundly damning emails. It's like he's trying to plea bargain out of the death penalty with no one in particular. It's almost impossibly dumb.
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EAllusion wrote: I assume his lawyer is getting black out drunk right now.


I don't think so.

I think he's probably dead sober and very busy with conference calls to several prominent lawyers across this country, looking at a ton of past court case files and frantically searching through any and all American laws that are relevant to this.

But, you might be right and perhaps he really is getting hammered at this point!

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Re: The next developments in the collusion story

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Remember when Manafort said something to the effect that these people don't announce that they are agents of Russia?

Apparently they do.
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