The NRA implies why "other factors" aren't the issue

[_Gadianton]

On the "individual freedom" thread Amore wrote:

2 common factors among shooters are prescription mind-altering drug use & fatherlessness.

Who said it would or is? There are already many gun restrictions. What more, specifically, do you (or those blaming guns) want regarding gun laws that are not already in place?

Let's get some help from the NRA:

There are many reasons why you as a gun owner should seriously consider investing in a gun safe. The first is to prevent children who are too young to understand gun safety from gaining access to your firearms...and even if your children are well-educated and responsible, consider that their friends may not be.

According to Amore, the NRA's reasoning for getting a gun safe is a logical fallacy. Let me explain. Suppose your children are well-educated and responsible, and understand gun safety. Now, suppose the friends of your children don't have a father and and are taking prescription mind-altering drugs. Already, your family has many rules, such as no touching the guns and ammo that sit on prominent display in the living room. What more can you possibly do? Oh, get a gun safe? Why blame the gun by putting it in a safe, which is literally a jail for guns? It's not the gun's fault. The only logical solution is to set the friends' mother up on some dates so the children can get a father figure back in their lives. while the mother is out on her dates, preferably with man with an arsenal who can teach gun safety to her kids, permission should be requested to take the children to a homeopath where they can get natural healing to whatever conditions they have and get off the mind altering medication. While we're working on these long-term solutions for the children's friends, the guns should remain right there in the living room where they always have been. It doesn't follow -- non-sequitur -- that because the friends of the children have all these problems that may turn them to violence that the gun is at fault.

[_RockSlider]

The only movies that make me want to kill are musicals.

hehe, rap music does that to me.

[_Gadianton]

Amore, again on the other thread, shows how the NRA's recommendation to get a gun safe is based on a logical fallacy. I've moved the comments over here as they are instructive for this thread.

Taking away the stick will likely cause him to find a more dangerous stick when you’re not looking or to get a bunch of sharp rocks to throw. You need to figure out why he’s misbehaving (ie mental illness, trying to get attention because he has no dad in his life) & correct that, otherwise the misbehavior will repeat only in different ways.

Again, the NRA's recommendation:

There are many reasons why you as a gun owner should seriously consider investing in a gun safe. The first is to prevent children who are too young to understand gun safety from gaining access to your firearms...and even if your children are well-educated and responsible, consider that their friends may not be.

If there was ever a reason to say "no" to that gun safe! Where we left of from last time: we're not blaming the gun by locking it away, we're getting the single mother of the "fatherless" friends of our kids lined up on some dates with right-wing NRA men and we're also working with the mother to allow taking her children off of mind-altering modern psych meds, and getting them to a new-age homeopath for proper mental treatment. Now this is going to take some time, and all the while we refuse to commit a non-sequitur logical fallacy by locking up the guns and ammo in the living room, but in addition, we have even greater reason to say "no" to the NRA's gun safe. If we buy that safe, then these fatherless kids are going to go learn martial arts and go straight to the knife drawer and learn to throw them more effectively than they can use a semi-auto rifle with a high capacity clip. Either that, or they're going to find ingredients for a bomb around the house and do something way worse. We should feel lucky if one of these kids take that gun from the living room and use it on a couple of us or a neighbor, because had we put a safe there to prevent access, then many more people would have died.

[_Morley]

[Gadianton's 'gun safe' posts, above.]

Ha! Excellent.

[_EAllusion]

It has been previously reported that Cruz was steeped in white supremacist language. Just recently it was reported that his ammunition clips were covered in swastikas:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swastikas- ... olas-cruz/

I love that Ajax, a literal Nazi sympathizer, looks at this situation and decides to argue he technically isn't white and implies the bad influence on him was being adopted by Hispanics.

[_Some Schmo]

I love that Ajax, a literal Nazi sympathizer, looks at this situation and decides to argue he technically isn't white and implies the bad influence on him was being adopted by Hispanics.

Well, you know how white supremacist Hispanics are.

I wonder if Majax is raising his kids to enjoy tortilla chips and chili sauce.

[_Kevin Graham]

Cruz was adopted by Lynda and Roger Cruz who paid his biological mother $50,000to adopt him when he was just three years old. His father died of a heart attack and his mother died three months ago from the flu.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[_Themis]

Markk, why is there such a difference in gun violence stats between Canada and the US? You didn't address this.

Culture, population, drugs, inner city diversity..., so it is not the weapon using your argument.

Culture is very very similar. Canadians watch the same movies, listen to the same music and play the same games. You suggested watching violent movies and games plays a role yet we see other countries who do as much or more then the US but have much lower rates of violence. Not sure what you mean by population since the rates are by 100k. If you mean urbanization, Canada is almost the same as the US and Australia is more urbanized then the US.

Drugs is interesting because I believe there may be connection to violence and drug use or alcohol use, but if guns are a much more effective and doing harm then they are an important part of the problem. You don't really believe there is no connection to gun access and number of deaths in a country do you?

[_schreech]

Markk, why is there such a difference in gun violence stats between Canada and the US? You didn't address this.

Culture, population, drugs, inner city diversity..., so it is not the weapon using your argument.

Dude, you have never been to canada have you? What is the inner city diversity of, say, Toronto or Vancouver vs any inner city in the US? Difference in drug use? population near metropolitan areas? WTF does that have to do with school shootings in the US considering the recent shooting have been in the suburbs? Your comment just feels so uninformed and shallow, like you don't know anything about any of the subjects you are trying (and failing) to discuss.

What other countries have you actually visited? Why is it that the people most likely to have strong opinions about other countries (call other places s*&% holes, actually believe there are "no-go" zones, ignorantly spout about the failures of "socialcommudemocrofacism", 'merica is the best country in the world!!, guns make us a safer country) are typically the people who are least likely to have visited any of the countries they disparage or use to explain their own irrational, and often very ill-informed beliefs? Its like the individuals with the least experience with other cultures, counties, customs and people are the most likely to believe the rubbish spouted by their fear mongering, right-wing media overlords. Shocking!

oh wait...



not so shocking...