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[_Gunnar]

The apologetic contortions Drumpf supporters are making these days make flat-earthers look like scientists.

I wholeheartedly agree. I'm glad to see that I am not the only seeing that obvious analogy.

[_moksha]

This is why there's no point talking to you. You willingly believe easy to debunk ____.

What makes you think Subgenius actually believes these talking points/disinformation?

[_Gunnar]

This is why there's no point talking to you. You willingly believe easy to debunk ____.

What makes you think Subgenius actually believes these talking points/disinformation?

Good point, moksha! I think it is at least as likely that he doesn't believe his own talking points as that he does. Perhaps even more likely is that he doesn't really care whether or not they are true.

[_Some Schmo]

This is why there's no point talking to you. You willingly believe easy to debunk ____.

What makes you think Subgenius actually believes these talking points/disinformation?

What you quoted was directed at Majax. I don't make posts to subgenius, because I don't (want to) believe he's a serious interlocutor, and to answer your question, it doesn't matter whether he believes his BS. All that matters in terms of assessing his character is that he keeps spewing idiotic BS, and it looks like he does it to arouse a reaction, and no more. That's enough to realize he's worthless to talk to, and I find myself curious why people bother. My best guess is pure boredom.

Majax, on the other hand, actually seems sincere about the stupid things he says. Doesn't make him worth talking to, but at least he doesn't appear to be actively trolling.

[_subgenius]

Reuters poll shows Republicans leading generic ballot for first time.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/1cf14784-e ... shows.html

[_subgenius]

I already knew you had no references of Hillary's business dealings with Russia.

my bad, i thought you were joking with this notion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/c ... mpany.html

not to mention the known facts where Russian money has been given/donated to the Clinton Foundation, and even with assuming it was not for anything nefarious, it constitutes doing business with Russia....and i am sure that the Skolkovo Foundation partnering with the Clinton Foundation is just a coincidence.

I also know you well enough to know you agree that governments do have preferences in other countries elections.

If you truly knew me, then you would know my distaste for such ambiguity by the use of terms like "governments"...I mean is it accurate to say our government has a preference when Trump has a preference?

They just make sure they don't publicly take sides, and most don't get involved as Russia has.

Most? maybe...but we certainly get as involved as Russia has...so what is your point with that?

[_Gunnar]

Most? maybe...but we certainly get as involved as Russia has...so what is your point with that?

Regrettably, I have to admit that subgenius has a valid point there. Our country's involvement in the overthrow of legitimate democratically elected governments in countries like Iran in 1953, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27état]Chile[/url] in 1973, and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état]Guatemala[/url] in 1954 on the behalf of U.S. Business interests ostensibly in the name of anti-communism, only to result in replacement of those democratically elected governments by brutal dictatorships far worse than the governments they replaced is even worse than the alleged Russian interference in our last Presidential election.

[_Themis]

I already knew you had no references of Hillary's business dealings with Russia.

my bad, i thought you were joking with this notion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/c ... mpany.html

not to mention the known facts where Russian money has been given/donated to the Clinton Foundation, and even with assuming it was not for anything nefarious, it constitutes doing business with Russia....and i am sure that the Skolkovo Foundation partnering with the Clinton Foundation is just a coincidence.

Republicans have been going after her for a long time, and so far they have not been able to collect any good evidence they did anything wrong.

If you truly knew me, then you would know my distaste for such ambiguity by the use of terms like "governments"...I mean is it accurate to say our government has a preference when Trump has a preference?

Yes he is the face of the government in the white house and gets to decide what goes on in the white house.

[_Themis]

Most? maybe...but we certainly get as involved as Russia has...so what is your point with that?

Regrettably, I have to admit that subgenius has a valid point there. Our country's involvement in the overthrow of legitimate democratically elected governments in countries like Iran in 1953, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27état]Chile[/url] in 1973, and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état]Guatemala[/url] in 1954 on the behalf of U.S. Business interests ostensibly in the name of anti-communism, only to result in replacement of those democratically elected governments by brutal dictatorships far worse than the governments they replaced is even worse than the alleged Russian interference in our last Presidential election.

His point is that it is ok for Russia to influence US elections and democracies because the US has influenced some other countries. Hopefully you would be a not agree with that point because it is wrong. No one is arguing the US has never influenced some elections or overthrown certain governments in history, and seems to have made things worse all to often for them and the US.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

His point is that it is ok for Russia to influence US elections and democracies because the US has influenced some other countries. Hopefully you would be a not agree with that point because it is wrong. No one is arguing the US has never influenced some elections or overthrown certain governments in history, and seems to have made things worse all to often for them and the US.

Talking to someone like Subgenius about Trump or the GOP is about as useful as lecturing Bach on diet and exercise.

For example you could link him to this article:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... h-mansion/

Which he might click on if you summarize it for him. He might then read the headline before he gets fatigued.

You might then link this Google map demonstrating an obvious point:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mar-a-L ... cdf67c!3e0

And if you were really generous you might link him to some articles where a certain someone just sold a painting of his for $450M to someone else who is a link to various money laundering schemes in which Trump is balls deep.

This is all, of course, in context to the thread, but it's utterly lost on him by this point.

And that's the problem when you extend it out to the nation. The people who support Trump, due to their various motivations just don't give a flying “F” about things like facts because facts to them aren't facts because, just as it is with Bach and his inability to stop his fat “F” ing mouth from acting like a garbage disposal, the people to whom Subgenius is representative believe in detoxing and Hollywood diets and that science is a money making scheme.

This is why I've stated over and over again that to win the day the Democrats are going to have to microtarget demographics and meme their way to victories. It's nice some folks here and there have the mental wherewithal to parse out geopolitics, but if you want to get elected you have to dumb your way to the top.

- Doc