subgenius wrote:I never said they had the most trees either ya dolt. The point is that his post was idiotic because of assertions like "lots of fores = lots of chances for forest fire"... kinda like walking into a discussion about car wrecks and saying "driving a car increases your chances of having a car wreck"....but, as usual, posts from you and Chap have little concern with the facts; the obvious; or the reasonable. You guys just want to insult, demean, and degrade - all in the name of "discussion" and "convincing argument".
And if you take into context his entire post he comments on the number of dying trees which are more susceptible to fires. California could very well have the largest forest of dead trees.
I think Trump sunk to a new low on this one. Blaming fires on the Democrats is like blaming Republican builders for damages caused to homes and trailers from hurricanes and tornados. Maybe cut the tax loopholes for our Republican builders until they shape up? Or how about cutting huricane disaster relief to the Florida. panhandle (mostly republican)? Surely there could have been better management of the building codes to make houses and buildings safer.
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Exiled wrote:I think Trump sunk to a new low on this one. Blaming fires on the Democrats is like blaming Republican builders for damages caused to homes and trailers from hurricanes and tornados. Maybe cut the tax loopholes for our Republican builders until they shape up? Or how about cutting huricane disaster relief to the Florida. panhandle (mostly republican)? Surely there could have been better management of the building codes to make houses and buildings safer.
Did Trump blame the fires on Democrats or did he blame the fires's devastation on California policies?
Kinda like if Miami building authority decided to issue permits but no longer required hurricane clips for roof structures....
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Seems like Trump is trying to imply that democratically controlled California is mismanaging the federal money that is sent there, even though it is a federal program that happens to be in California. I think he is implying this by mere fact that the says it in conjunction with the California fires and the fact that California is a democratic stronghold. However, Trump could be just lashing out, trying to act like a CEO would when he gets poor numbers from one of his lower managers.
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Chap wrote:Which does rather explain why, despite Oregon and California, having similar forest acreage, there is rather less likelihood of a fire breaking out in Oregon than in California, does it not?
Virtually all of the states he listed are in a period of drought including Oregon. And keep in mind his list was dated 2017.
Drought+wind=wildfires.
Period.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Virtually all of the states he listed are in a period of drought including Oregon. And keep in mind his list was dated 2017.
Drought+wind=wildfires.
Period.
Drought+wind+democrats=wildfires. If there were only more logging, drilling and fracking in our forests, would the wildfires subside.
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Chap wrote:Which does rather explain why, despite Oregon and California, having similar forest acreage, there is rather less likelihood of a fire breaking out in Oregon than in California, does it not?
Virtually all of the states he listed are in a period of drought including Oregon. And keep in mind his list was dated 2017.
Drought+wind=wildfires.
Period.
well, comma....because the occurrence of wildfires is not necessarily "a bad thing", especially with regards to wilderness management. However, the only reason we are inundated with California wildfires is because of the destruction of man-made property... when you notice that California has similar acreages of forest as many other states but dwarfs other states with almost 3x the households that are "at extreme risk"....which is where the policy-management criticism is valid. So yeah, while "drought" conditions certainly increase risks for fires, the devastation to human habitation as always been the concern.
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Chap wrote:This sheds light (rather than tweet) on the thread topic.
Basically:
California has huge amounts of forest - hence more chance of fires.
idiotic assertion you go there...CA is 35th on the list of % of forest....MT is at 33rd...CA is about 160k sq.miles while MT is about 147k sq miles (3rd and 4th largest State areas in the US)...yet CA is only 17% forest while MT is 21%....but similar "chances" of forest fires? And then face the reality that Alaska (127m acres) , Oregon(28m acres), and Georgia(24m acres) all have more acres of forest than CA(23m acres)...yet the "chances" according to you are similar?
and then there are facts, according to US Census, the 2017 most prone to fire States with number of households at extreme risk from wildfire: 1 California 2,044,800 2 Texas 715,300 3 Colorado 366,200 4 Arizona 234,600 5 Idaho 171,200 6 Washington 154,900 7 Oklahoma 152,900 8 Oregon 148,800 9 Utah 133,100 10 Montana 133,000
emphasis above is mine
Kevin Graham wrote:OMG you're dumb. He listed a half dozen reasons why California is prone to fires and you addressed only one, but only after misrepresenting what he said. He never said California had the most trees.
Yes, dumb because you are the only one talking about trees while we were talking about forest - thanks for the object lesson on dumb.....and for what it's worth, 2 reasons ain't "half a dozen".
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Do you actually have any substantive point to make that has not already been rebutted? Or are you perhaps simply posting because of rebutthurt?
Chap wrote:This sheds light (rather than tweet) on the thread topic.
Basically:
California has huge amounts of forest - hence more chance of fires.
California is suffering from unprecedented heat and drought - hence more chance of fires.
Because of the above, plus the arrival of a tree-killing pest, there are unmanageably large numbers of dead trees in forests - hence more chance of fires.
People, who start 84% of fires, are moving into forested zones because they like them - hence more chance of fires.
Of course none of that would have happened if California had had a Republican governor.
The 2018 wildfire season is shaping up to be California's most destructive and expensive on record, with $432m already spent on firefighting and containment. Cal Fire asked lawmakers for an additional $234m in early September - the earliest the agency has ever requested emergency funds - to prepare for the peak of the fire season, which traditionally runs through the fall.
A report released 27 August, the fourth in a series of climate change assessments commissioned by the state, found that if global warming continues at its current rate, California residents can expect more deadly weather patterns, including longer droughts, higher temperatures and bigger wildfires. But how did the most populous state in the US get to this point?
California is a heavily forested state Forests and grassland cover about a third of California's 100m acres. The state contains more forest than any other in the country except Alaska.
Source: University of California Forest Research and Outreach
Climate change is making the state hotter and drier Hot temperatures and dry conditions caused by global warming are taking a toll on west coast forests. The past five years in California have been the hottest on record, and the state recently came out of a nearly six-year drought, its second worst in history.
A lack of rainfall coupled with disappearing groundwater increases the likelihood of tree death. Dead trees act as explosive fuel when wildfires start.
Source: California Fourth Climate Assessment
There are millions of dead trees in California Because of drought, rising temperatures and a growing epidemic of migrating bark beetles that prey on trees, an alarming number of trees, nearly 129m, have died since 2010. California has removed only 1.3m of these trees in that same period: the rest litter the state's forests with tinder.
Source: Cal Fire Tree Mortality Map
Much of California is a time bomb The large number of dead trees, combined with California's already dry, hot and windy climate, has made much of the state susceptible to wildfires. It doesn't take a lot to start one - humans are responsible for 84% of them - and with about a quarter of California counties facing severe or worsening drought conditions, rain and groundwater are often unavailable to help put out fires.
Source: California Fire Hazard Severity Zone Map
People are moving into high fire-risk zones California's population grew by 3 million between 2000 and 2010, and according to the risk management company Verisk, in 2017 over a quarter of the state's population lived near moderate or high-risk fire corridors.
With this increase in population comes a higher possibility of a human-made wildfire. And as people move into these high-risk area, more buildings are in harm's way: structures generally burn longer than vegetation, allowing fire more time to spread.
Source: Verisk Wildfire Risk Report
What's being done? The California governor, Jerry Brown, and other state Democratic leaders are attempting to impose regulations to combat climate change. The state recently passed a bill that doubles down on sustainability and renewable energy targets across the board, requiring that the state get 50% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2026, 60% by 2030 and 100% by 2045. With those efforts and a commitment to more prescribed burns to reduce the amount of flammable material on public lands, the state hopes to rein in future out-of-control fire seasons.
Source: California Fourth Climate Assessment
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