"National Emergency" it is!

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Ann Coulter ripped President Donald Trump following his big announcement this afternoon that there is a deal to end the shutdown that does not include money for the wall.

“Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States,” she tweeted.

Trump talked at length about border security in his speech today, saying that he’s looking for a “fair deal from Congress” by February 15th. If not, he said, “The government will either shut down on February 15th again or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency.”


I rarely say this but I disagree with Ann Coulter. DJT is the only reason we're even talking about potentially enforcing the border. I continue to support him and hope he goes ahead with the National emergency.
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Trump announces a deal to reopen the government for three weeks. Lies about workers encouraging him to keep holding strong and about Democrats recognizing that a wall is critical to border security.
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ajax18 wrote:I rarely say this but I disagree with Ann Coulter. DJT is the only reason we're even talking about potentially enforcing the border. I continue to support him and hope he goes ahead with the National emergency.


We know you support him no matter what. You're both human garbage.
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ajax18 wrote:
Ann Coulter ripped President Donald Trump following his big announcement this afternoon that there is a deal to end the shutdown that does not include money for the wall.

“Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States,” she tweeted.

Trump talked at length about border security in his speech today, saying that he’s looking for a “fair deal from Congress” by February 15th. If not, he said, “The government will either shut down on February 15th again or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency.”


I rarely say this but I disagree with Ann Coulter. DJT is the only reason we're even talking about potentially enforcing the border. I continue to support him and hope he goes ahead with the National emergency.


I don’t think he’ll need to. I think there’s a deal to be cut here.
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ajax18 wrote:Yeah, the shutdown wasn't working. Democrats won't permit any physical barrier in negotiations either. I hope he goes ahead and let's the military start building the wall.

If the shutdown had effected food stamp payouts rather than border patrol agent salaries, it might have had a chance.


Of course Democrats will agree to fund some additional physical barrier. The Democrats want things on immigration, too. Horse trading is how this works.
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Res Ipsa wrote:I don’t think he’ll need to. I think there’s a deal to be cut here.


Do you seriously believe Pelosi will agree to a Wall? They've never indicated they were willing to budge on that and now they have the upper hand like never before. They don't have to provide anything. If Trump shuts down the government again he looks even weaker than he already does because he knows it is a tactic that won't work.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Horse trading is how this works.


That's not how things work with Trump, though.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:I don’t think he’ll need to. I think there’s a deal to be cut here.


Do you seriously believe Pelosi will agree to a Wall? they've never indicated they were willing to budge on that.


Take a few minutes and go back and read all of the different things Trump said about the wall during the campaign. Sometimes it’s a wall, sometimes it’s a fence. Sometimes it’s concrete, sometimes it’s steel. Sometime it spans the entire border, sometimes it’s only 1000 miles because of natural barriers.

That leaves both Trump and Pelosi room to maneuver. If she agrees to additional fencing, she can say she didn’t give Trump a wall. At the same time, he can say he got a wall. He even tipped his hand to this in the rose garden speech today.

Meanwhile, Pelosi isn’t adopting an obstructionist stance. She wants to show Americans that Democrats can get stuff done, even while controlling only one branch. To do that, she has to cut deals. And I get the feeling she really wants to resolve DACA.
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Of course Democrats will agree to fund some additional physical barrier. The Democrats want things on immigration, too. Horse trading is how this works.


That sounds encouraging. But Mark Levin points out that in 1986 2.3 million illegal immigrants were given amnesty in exchange for a border fence. They got their amnesty and the fence never got funded. I have a hard time believing it will actually get done unless the president uses executive privileges.
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Chap wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Horse trading is how this works.


That's not how things work with Trump, though.


I dunno Chap. For the first two years he didn’t reall have to deal. Now, he does. And he has lots of ego tied up in being seen as the best deal maker. Now that he’s seen that my way or the high won’t work, I think he has some incentive to horse trade. We’ll see.
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