Seth Rich Conspiracy came from Russia

[_Xenophon]

You forget how the media colluded with Clinton to beat Sanders. CNN funneled debate questions to Clinton. Wolf Blitzer spoke of the superdelegates non-stop when Sanders looked like he might overtake Clinton at the end. Wolf even went as far as talking about superdelegates and how Clinton was a shoe-in, during the California primary, while people were still voting. Also, CNN and NBC/MSNBC gave Trump an inordinate amount of free coverage, to ensure Trump would be the supposed sacrificial lamb so Clinton could win. Sometimes whole segments about the Republican primaries would have a Trump podium in the background. I think DNC/Clinton insiders thought Trump would be the easiest to defeat and I think that calculation was probably the correct one, as shown in the pied piper memo. It was a close election and the unpopular Clinton lost to an unpopular reality TV show personality. I think she was probably the only one who could have lost to Trump.

So the answer is you have nothing concrete or specific on what Clinton and the DNC did to facilitate Trump winning the primary. Kinda what I expected.

[_honorentheos]

The DNC/Clinton campaign assumed they would be able to use the extremism of Trump against him and in many ways they did (aside: the DNC and 2020 hopefuls are still using Trump's extremism against him where they can).

It's essentially the same strategy behind the current shifting of focus off of the Democratic Presidential candidates onto the Squad congresswomen. They may not actually be running, but they represent a more extreme side of Progressive ideology that is a better contrast than just about any of the people actually running for President.

But back to Exiled, the underlying question was regarding what WikiLeaks did that was more than just presenting facts. The answer is they currated a series of releases for impact and maximum spin. Eevm if Assange didn't write the spin, he was involved in the politics of it.

[_Some Schmo]

I see the same sense in arguing with a Russian interference denier as I do arguing with a flat earther. What damned difference does their fantasy make?

Waaa... Clinton was so bad... waaa... Bernie Sanders... waaa waaa waaa...

Whiny little bitches.

[_subgenius]

I see the same sense in arguing with a Russian interference denier as I do arguing with a flat earther. What damned difference does their fantasy make?

Waaa... Clinton was so bad... waaa... Bernie Sanders... waaa waaa waaa...

Whiny little bitches.

sez the cuck that has been crying, whining, and throwing tantrums since Nov 2016.

[_Xenophon]

It's essentially the same strategy behind the current shifting of focus off of the Democratic Presidential candidates onto the Squad congresswomen. They may not actually be running, but they represent a more extreme side of Progressive ideology that is a better contrast than just about any of the people actually running for President.

Precisely. To suggest that this is some bizarre or out of place strategy is quite absurd. I think the article Exiled shared belies his true beef when it pivots to talking about the "suppression" of Sanders. I will agree with him that Trump was severely mishandled by the media but primarily because it drove rating, not because there was a nefarious plot afoot. Couple that mishandling with there desire to appear tough on Clinton for the appearance of objectivity and you can lay some blame at their feet for our current Presidential Nightmare.

But back to Exiled, the underlying question was regarding what WikiLeaks did that was more than just presenting facts. The answer is they curated a series of releases for impact and maximum spin. Even if Assange didn't write the spin, he was involved in the politics of it.

Also, when we frame it as just a "presentation of facts" we are glossing over that it wasn't like WikiLeaks objective was to release as much information on both candidates. I think I'd have considerable less problems with the vast data dump had it been an even exposure. The point remains (and has been ignored by Exiled on this and other threads), Assange was absolutely willing to do anything he could to prevent a Clinton presidency. Even if that meant burning down the country to do it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[_Gray Ghost]

sez the cuck that has been crying, whining, and throwing tantrums since Nov 2016.

Americans who sit in the corner watching with approval while a hostile foreign government "F"s over the country have given up the right to call anyone a "cuck"

[_Dr. Shades]

To address the point of the opening post, I seriously doubt the Seth Rich conspiracy theory needed to come from Russia. When he was killed, my very first thought is that it most likely was due to him leaking e-mails. No Russian suggested that to me.

[_canpakes]

To address the point of the opening post, I seriously doubt the Seth Rich conspiracy theory needed to come from Russia. When he was killed, my very first thought is that it most likely was due to him leaking e-mails. No Russian suggested that to me.

Are you saying that you independently concluded the same unsubstantiated claim as was suggested by a Russian troll source and promoted by Fox News?

[_honorentheos]

To address the point of the opening post, I seriously doubt the Seth Rich conspiracy theory needed to come from Russia. When he was killed, my very first thought is that it most likely was due to him leaking e-mails. No Russian suggested that to me.

Are you saying that you independently concluded the same unsubstantiated claim as was suggested by a Russian troll source and promoted by Fox News?

Apparently Shades is everyone's crazy right-winger uncle. If MDB hosted a Thanksgiving Dinner, I'm pretty sure despite the majority of posters not participating in the non-Mormon Discussions forums the conversation would be dominated by Shades and Kevin arguing over politics after they got enough turkey in them. It might start off very civil and mostly chat about football and DCP. But it only takes politics getting a toe in and it brings out the crazy.

But as long as there is pie, hey! Let's do it!

[_Dr Exiled]

To address the point of the opening post, I seriously doubt the Seth Rich conspiracy theory needed to come from Russia. When he was killed, my very first thought is that it most likely was due to him leaking e-mails. No Russian suggested that to me.

Are you saying that you independently concluded the same unsubstantiated claim as was suggested by a Russian troll source and promoted by Fox News?

It was kim.com who promoted that Seth Rich was the wikileaks source. At least that's where I first heard about it. He claimed he was part of the transaction in some way and offered to testify before Congress but was rebuffed. Russia was more of a convenient target.

What if Fox had undeniable evidence that Trump raped that 13 year old back in the 90's? Would you automatically disbelieve because Fox doesn't play to your team?