Bach wrote:Sadly, Mueller appears as pre-Alzheimer’s or pre-dementia. Sad day for a man of his legacy to sit in front a camera for that long. It’s unfortunate that the public will be left with today’s appearance as his lasting memory.
It’s truly embarrassing when Michael Moore agrees with me!!!!!
Kevin Graham wrote: Um, Mueller was asked if the ONLY reason he didn't indict Trump was because he was a sitting President and Mueller responded: "Yes."
Geez, your consistent avoidance of context and fact is admirable: Your reference to Lieu's question proves that you are, at least, on the right topic today: "before the House Intelligence Committee, the former special counsel said he wanted to "correct the record" on his exchange with Lieu.
"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."
That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."
but that's cool, run with what ya got because you being wrong just doesn't ever bother you anymore.
Meanwhile, back to Mueller:
Buck: “Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?”
Mueller: “Yes.”
Buck: “You believe that he committed—you could charge the president of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?”
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Lieu just got the best admission yet. He asked Mueller that the only reason why he didn't indict Trump for obstruction of justice, is that the OLC (?) prevents him from indicting a sitting President.
That's it.
The President obstructed justice.
- Doc
Mueller backed away from this in the afternoon session.
And that works for you? Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire the Republican Robert Mueller, and then ordered him to cover it up. Trump ordered Lewandowski to limit Mueller’s investigation. Any reasonable person could conclude that the crime of obstruction of justice has been met.
IYO, if Trump weren’t President, would he be indicted?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I haven't yet seen the whole inquiry, but I definitely heard the part where Mueller unequivocally testified that Trump's written responses to inquiries from the investigation were "generally untruthful." This is, of course, no surprise! This is undoubtedly the main reason Trump's lawyers were so determined to prevent him from having to testify in person under oath. They knew he would perjure himself.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Kevin Graham wrote: Um, Mueller was asked if the ONLY reason he didn't indict Trump was because he was a sitting President and Mueller responded: "Yes."
Geez, your consistent avoidance of context and fact is admirable: Your reference to Lieu's question proves that you are, at least, on the right topic today: "before the House Intelligence Committee, the former special counsel said he wanted to "correct the record" on his exchange with Lieu.
"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."
That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."
but that's cool, run with what ya got because you being wrong just doesn't ever bother you anymore.
And the reason he said this was already explained. That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."
So it didn't matter whether Trump molested a child at high noon on the beach, Mueller was not going to make any determination as to whether or not he committed a crime because a sitting President can't be indicted and to accuse him of a crime would be to violate his right to defend himself and face his accuser in a court of law. That's the only reason he wasn't going to determine a crime had been committed.
The facts of the report makes it perfectly clear Trump committed the crime of obstruction on many occasions when it details the key requirements of obstruction and then goes into detail to explain how Trump's actions satisfy those requirements.
It's beyond dispute that Russia committed federal crimes in an effort to support the Trump campaign over and against the Clinton campaign.
It's beyond dispute that Russia reached out to the Trump campaign in order to facilitate some of that support.
It's beyond dispute that the Trump campaign accepted that support and even encouraged it, both privately and even in public.
It's beyond dispute that Trump repeatedly lied about all three of the above facts, ordered his subordinates to lie about them, and took numerous affirmative steps to cover up those facts and to cover up his lies about them.
Whatever else anyone thinks about absolutely anything else related to the campaign or the investigations of Russia, the above are indisputable facts and are indisputably the actions of a profoundly corrupt and unfit president.
It's interesting just how much of an alternative universe you live in. The right wing has given up on facts and truth and have gone full into la-la land outright lie mode forever.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: And that works for you? Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire the Republican Robert Mueller, and then ordered him to cover it up. Trump ordered Lewandowski to limit Mueller’s investigation. Any reasonable person could conclude that the crime of obstruction of justice has been met.
IYO, if Trump weren’t President, would he be indicted?
- Doc
It is very easy to get an indictment from a grand jury. So, sure, he could be indicted for obstruction if he weren't president. Obtaining a conviction is another matter.
Trump is a clown, but, time to move on to issues and try to stop him from having too big of a victory lap on this one. Issues will defeat him handily. People don't trust the guy as he lies non-stop and acts like a jackass a lot of the time. So, perhaps focusing on the pocketbook issues people want solved can excite the undecideds and those who don't vote? A big turnout should favor someone other than Trump.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
It's interesting just how much of an alternative universe you live in. The right wing has given up on facts and truth and have gone full into la-la land outright lie mode forever.
The Democrats lost it today - badly. Hard to dispute. But put your opinion out there! If you believe they won, they should go straight to impeachment, right?!?!
There is no requirement anywhere in our laws to “Exonerate”! It’s innocent till proven guilty. But let’s not debate the small stuff, put your knowledge on the line: will the Democrats now impeach this SOB? If not - why not?
My prediction: they will attempt to find a way to drop this crap ASAP. Pelosi is already panicked that she loses house. They are losing badly in this abortion. Nadler, Schiff, the squad and the economy just gave Trump 2020!!!!
Kevin Graham wrote:It's beyond dispute that Russia committed federal crimes in an effort to support the Trump campaign over and against the Clinton campaign.
It's beyond dispute that Russia reached out to the Trump campaign in order to facilitate some of that support.
It's beyond dispute that the Trump campaign accepted that support and even encouraged it, both privately and even in public.
It's beyond dispute that Trump repeatedly lied about all three of the above facts, ordered his subordinates to lie about them, and took numerous affirmative steps to cover up those facts and to cover up his lies about them.
Whatever else anyone thinks about absolutely anything else related to the campaign or the investigations of Russia, the above are indisputable facts and are indisputably the actions of a profoundly corrupt and unfit president.
More or less, yeah.
On a related note, it's not at all ominous that Republicans are unilaterally blocking common sense election security legislation while we simultaneously get repeated warnings that hostile foreign actors with a history of attempting to support the Republican party plan on interfering in the 2020 election.