CV-19 therapeutic drug trials and Vaccine

[_Jersey Girl]

Today. Here's the doctor whose videos prompted the OP. He's still talking about ACE2 receptors being the portals of entry.

There's autopsy photos in this. If you can't handle it, pass it up.

12 Autopsy Cases Reveal TRUTH About How Patients Die From Coronavirus (COVID-19)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6h8TIx ... dex=7&t=0s

Here's the study he references. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2003

I mentioned previously that I take one of the medications that is being trialed as a therapeutic for CV-10, Lisinopril. This doctor actually ranked the ACE2 inhibitor Lorsartan higher than Lisinopril in it's expected ability to thwart the virus and the cytokine storm that spells doom for many patients. On account of an unwanted side effect, I'll be on Losartan probably by Monday or as soon as I get the guts up to make the switch because I already have it.

I don't know which one of these meds will come to the forefront as a good therapeutic for the virus. I don't think it's a bad idea for older folks or those with various conditions to be taking low dose aspirin right now if they're not on an anticoagulant to fend off the deadly blood clots that were found in the autopsies. Otherwise for those who have the significant conditions that complicate the virus, I say keep everything in check as best as we can and carry on.

[_Gunnar]

No, Gunnar, I don't believe I've heard about that particular vaccine development. I think our best and most immediate solution to fight this virus besides continuing social distancing, masking, staying at home, and continued efforts to develop a viable vaccine is convalescent plasma.

I don't worry about needles. I've been shot up so many times in my life I'm completely numb to it.

Needles don't particularly bother me or stress me out either, but there are many people who have a strong aversion to them. Such people would welcome and would be less likely to resist admonitions to get vaccinated if this technique was a readily available alternative to needles. Besides that, according the researchers developing it, this micro needle patch technique administers the vaccine precisely to the layer of skin which is the body's first line of defense against invading pathogens, and thus requires smaller quantities of the vaccine to be fully effective. An even bigger plus is that because these patches are dry and do not require the vaccine to be suspended in an aqueous solution, they need not be refrigerated and can be stored indefinitely at room temperature. This greatly reduces the cost of transporting the vaccine and the difficulty of keeping sufficient quantities on hand and viable in storage until it is needed.

[_Jersey Girl]

WTAF

This is the man who is willing/planning to fork out the money for factories in advance of the development of a vaccine to meet the needs of this country upon roll out. He's taking care of his damn state's testing needs and they shut him down? For what purpose?

FDA halts Bill Gates coronavirus testing program

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... LRdpMS077I

[_Gunnar]

WTAF

This is the man who is willing/planning to fork out the money for factories in advance of the development of a vaccine to meet the needs of this country upon roll out. He's taking care of his damn state's testing needs and they shut him down? For what purpose?

FDA halts Bill Gates coronavirus testing program

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... LRdpMS077I

I'm sure you know why, or at least have a strong hunch. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he perceives any increases in the number of confirmed coronavirus cases as a threat to his approval rating and his chances of being reelected. He desperately does NOT want to find out that the actual number of covid-19 cases is several times higher that what is currently being reported.

[_Jersey Girl]

WTAF

This is the man who is willing/planning to fork out the money for factories in advance of the development of a vaccine to meet the needs of this country upon roll out. He's taking care of his damn state's testing needs and they shut him down? For what purpose?

FDA halts Bill Gates coronavirus testing program

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... LRdpMS077I

I'm sure you know why, or at least have a strong hunch. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he perceives any increases in the number of confirmed coronavirus cases as a threat to his approval rating and his chances of being reelected. He desperately does NOT want to find out that the actual number of covid-19 cases is several times higher that what is currently being reported.

That's not the only thing that crossed my mind, Gunnar. I listened to interviews with Gates and as part of his goal of building factories to manufacture and distribute a vaccine (or vaccines) he pledged to stock them with syringes, vials, etc. Which is exactly what was just announced yesterday (?) by the administration to prepare for the delivery of a vaccine to the country.

He's totally trying to usurp the totality Gates' efforts and why? Because he doesn't want anyone to steal his self perceived thunder.

Anyone with half a brain who is watching all of this mess can easily see it's all about him grabbing headlines for re-election. Because, if he gave a damn about the American public he would've heeded the early warnings, geared up to meet our PPE and critical equipment needs, he would have used the Defense Production Act to ramp up production of both PPE/Equipment, he wouldn't have spit in the face of the states and their governors, he would have followed the CDA guidelines for re-opening instead of tossing them in the waste basket, he wouldn't have had the CDA water down their re-opening guidelines causing even more confusion and chaos, and he wouldn't be promoting re-opening the states to jump start the economy or cheering on protesters in a country where we don't even have the PPE for medical personnel much less can the every day Joe acquire any of it for the grandiose transition to greatness. :rolleyes:

This guy can just straight up kiss my ass. He's a liar, he's corrupt, he's a game player, he hasn't got the intellect abilities of a second grader, and he's effectively slaughtering American citizens so that HE can win. Not this country.

[_Gunnar]

That's not the only thing that crossed my mind, Gunnar. I listened to interviews with Gates and as part of his goal of building factories to manufacture and distribute a vaccine (or vaccines) he pledged to stock them with syringes, vials, etc. Which is exactly what was just announced yesterday (?) by the administration to prepare for the delivery of a vaccine to the country.

He's totally trying to usurp the totality Gates' efforts and why? Because he doesn't want anyone to steal his self perceived thunder.

Anyone with half a brain who is watching all of this mess can easily see it's all about him grabbing headlines for re-election. Because, if he gave a damn about the American public he would've heeded the early warnings, geared up to meet our PPE and critical equipment needs, he would have used the Defense Production Act to ramp up production of both PPE/Equipment, he wouldn't have spit in the face of the states and their governors, he would have followed the CDA guidelines for re-opening instead of tossing them in the waste basket, he wouldn't have had the CDA water down their re-opening guidelines causing even more confusion and chaos, and he wouldn't be promoting re-opening the states to jump start the economy or cheering on protesters in a country where we don't even have the PPE for medical personnel much less can the every day Joe acquire any of it for the grandiose transition to greatness. :rolleyes:

This guy can just straight up kiss my ass. He's a liar, he's corrupt, he's a game player, he hasn't got the intellect abilities of a second grader, and he's effectively slaughtering American citizens so that HE can win. Not this country.

Yeah, all that too, Jersey Girl. That goes almost without saying.

[_Jersey Girl]

A charitable and less lazy poster than I sent me this link. It's about the ACE inhibitors. Identify yourself if you like!

Association of Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme Inhibitors and Angiotensin Receptor Blockers with the Risk of Hospitalization and Death in Hypertensive Patients with Coronavirus Disease-19

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20104943v1

So...if anyone remembers back in the thread, I posted links to a cardiologist on youtube who discussed how the virus enters the body, digs it's rotten little spikes into you and replicates the crap out of itself until your lungs blow up with a cytokine storm, where you're sick as hell and can't breathe.

The idea with these meds is to thwart that process. They won't prevent you from getting the virus but the idea is that you'll have it far better if you are using these particular meds. The reason I posted the cardio guy's video about the meds being trialed is because my antenna went right up when listening to his video...because I take just these kinds of meds and so does JB.

So...when I thought I was going through the summer from hell last year (medications withdrawal) this may have actually ended up being a blessing in disguise for me.

Whoever is taking these meds maybe has a light at the end of their stressed out tunnel and some peace of mind until a vaccine becomes available!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I’m genuinely surprised to see people dropping mask usage here in Utah and across the country. We just had, yesterday, 22k+ new confirmed cases and 730 confirmed/reported deaths.

https://www.worldometers.information/coronavirus/country/us/

I get the protests are what they are, and the use of force by the government is intolerable, but the real enemy is straight up murdering people and destroying thousands of people’s long-term health.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

I’m genuinely surprised to see people dropping mask usage here in Utah and across the country. We just had, yesterday, 22k+ new confirmed cases and 730 confirmed/reported deaths.

https://www.worldometers.information/coronavirus/country/us/

I get the protests are what they are, and the use of force by the government is intolerable, but the real enemy is straight up murdering people and destroying thousands of people’s long-term health.

- Doc

Yes, the country is still averaging 20K new cases per day. I follow this daily. Give it about 2-3 weeks and our hospitals will be once again stuffed with virus patients. When I go out in public here and when I see local protesters on video, the overwhelming majority are masked.

[_Icarus]

We're averaging 20k but that's while averaging between 400,000 and 500,000 tests per day. When we were at the peak, we were averaging just 150,000 tests per day, which makes me wonder just how many people had it back then but weren't tested. It wouldn't surprise me if 100,000+ were getting it daily, we just had no way of knowing back in April.

The good news is that the death rate is dropping gradually.

The bad news is that the hot spots are beginning to shift. It used to be NY but now Massachusetts had 3,800 new cases yesterday, California, Alabama, Texas and Florida are getting much worse.