So What About Kamala Harris?

[honorentheos]

Ok, buddy. You claim that there are powerful people attempting to subvert the will of voters

Now you're going lie and pretend I claimed things that I didn't?

I don't play like that - our 'discussion' is over.

So you didn't say the following?

Why is that terrifying?

What is terrifying about Americans that hold powerful positions that believe, like you, that "the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out"? Are you serious?

FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS, Senators, Congress, Military - etc - And these American citizens believe that the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out.

What about the American citizens' vote? Doesn't matter? What about laws? Doesn't matter? What about the Constitution? Doesn't matter? What about civil liberties? Doesn't matter? What about American civilization? Doesn't matter?

Sure as hell looks like you are saying you believe there are powerful people seeking to subvert the will of voters. Or perhaps you can explain what you meant by the above? Because it sure looks like the same old conservative fearmongering claims that some elite somewhere is keeping the poor Trump-voting folk from being heard.

You're welcome to elaborate or clarify. But I won't hold my breath.

[honorentheos]

A claim ceeboo thinks is ridiculous and beneath him is that Trump stated he'd like to be a dictator for a day. So, is it?

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023 ... ctator-if/

During a recent town hall, Fox News’ Sean Hannity gave former President Donald Trump the chance to rebut the idea — floated by some Republicans — that if reelected, he would be a dictator.

Instead of a straightforward denial, Trump said he would be a dictator only on "Day 1" of his tenure.

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who also is seeking the GOP nomination, has accused Trump of wanting to rule as a dictator. And former Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, a Republican and frequent Trump critic, told CBS during a Dec. 1 interview that Trump "told us what he will do. It's very easy to see the steps that he will take. … One of the things that we see happening today is a sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the United States."

Trump discussed the accusations in a Dec. 5 Iowa town hall with Hannity. Here, we look at the former president and current GOP front-runner’s remarks in context.

During the town hall, Hannity tried twice to ask Trump if he would act as a dictator.

First, Hannity said that the media wants to call Trump a dictator, noting that Trump has used the words, "I am your retribution." Then Hannity asked: "To be clear, do you in any way, have any plans whatsoever, if reelected president, to abuse power, to break the law, to use the government to go after people?"

Trump did not directly answer, and instead brought up the four indictments against him, which he called "nonsense" and "made-up charges."

Later, Hannity raised the topic again:

Hannity: "I want to go back to this one issue though because the media has been focused on this and attacking you. Under no circumstances you're promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?"

Trump: "Except for Day 1."

Hannity: "Except for?"

Trump: (pointing to Hannity) "Look, he’s going crazy. Except for Day 1."

Hannity: "Meaning?"

Trump: "I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill."

Hannity: "That’s not retribution."

Trump, referring to Hannity: "We love this guy. He says, ‘You are not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said, ‘No, no, no, other than Day 1.’ We are closing the border and we are drilling, drilling, drilling. After that I am not a dictator, OK?"

Hannity: "That sounds to me like you’re going back to the policies when you were president."

The media has documented multiple examples of Trump’s plans for a second presidency and comments that sound authoritarian.

At a New Hampshire campaign event, he vowed to "root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections." We have debunked the notion that the 2020 election was stolen or rigged.

Trump has made several promises to fire local prosecutors; investigate Comcast, NBC and MSNBC for treason and remove them from the airwaves; and terminate the U.S. Constitution.

And in a Truth Social post, Trump implied that former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley should be executed for treason. Trump criticized Milley, a U.S. Army general, for calling his Chinese counterpart to reassure him after the Jan. 6, 2021, storming of the U.S. Capitol. Trump wrote on the social media platform that it was "an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH."

[honorentheos]

A claim ceebs thinks is ridiculous is that the Heritage Foundation leadership threatens a 2nd revolution that will be bloodless as long as liberals roll over and let it happen. So is it?

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/0 ... n-00166583

NEW YORK — The leader of a conservative think tank orchestrating plans for a massive overhaul of the federal government in the event of a Republican presidential win said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”

Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts made the comments Tuesday on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast, adding that Republicans are “in the process of taking this country back.”

Democrats are “apoplectic right now” because the right is winning, Roberts told former U.S. Rep. Dave Brat, one of the podcast’s guest hosts as Bannon is serving a four-month prison term. “And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”


Roberts’ remarks shed light on how a group that promises to have significant influence over a possible second term for former President Donald Trump is thinking about this moment in American politics. The Heritage Foundation is spearheading Project 2025, a sweeping road map for a new GOP administration that includes plans for dismantling aspects of the federal government and ousting thousands of civil servants in favor of Trump loyalists who will carry out a hard-right agenda without complaint.

...

Roberts, whose name Bannon recently floated to The New York Times as a potential chief of staff option for Trump, also said on the podcast that Republicans should be encouraged by the Supreme Court’s recent immunity ruling.

He said Monday’s decision — which gives presidents broad immunity from prosecution — is “vital” to ensure a president won’t have to “second guess, triple guess every decision they’re making in their official capacity.”

In an emailed statement on Wednesday, Roberts reiterated his comments from the podcast, saying Americans “are in the process of carrying out the Second American Revolution to take power back from the elites and despotic bureaucrats.”

[yellowstone123]

Here is how she acts under pressure. This is after the debate which means less than a week ago. It's five minutes long. She says if Donald Trump wins he will be a dictator on day 1.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics ... ate-digvid

Wait, you mean she used Trump’s own silly words against him? No fair!!!

Hi, Kishkumen:

I actually didn't know he said that. I had to look it up. As I read, it was a little unsettling. Looking at different sites it looks like he said that he would act like one on day one with executive orders like closing the border and opening an oil pipeline, but just that day. If we were playing the old game Battleship by Zoom, I'd look at my board and say "HIT." Good one. I would add that if any type of real dictatorship appeared that the NRA would join arms with Antifa and march to Washington. It's not going to happen in the USA.

[Some Schmo]

I actually didn't know he said that. I had to look it up. As I read, it was a little unsettling.

I think this, more than anything, is the reason Trump has any following at all. His fans don't know him. They have created a fantasy surrounding him that is so obviously inaccurate, it is inexplicable to anyone not in love with the orange ape how people can support him.

It's like a third of the country thinks Charles Manson is just peachy, and if you don't support him, you have MDS (Manson Derangement Syndrome). Hard not to think they're insane, but ignorant is much more accurate.

[Kishkumen]

Hi, Kishkumen:

I actually didn't know he said that. I had to look it up. As I read, it was a little unsettling. Looking at different sites it looks like he said that he would act like one on day one with executive orders like closing the border and opening an oil pipeline, but just that day. If we were playing the old game Battleship by Zoom, I'd look at my board and say "HIT." Good one. I would add that if any type of real dictatorship appeared that the NRA would join arms with Antifa and march to Washington. It's not going to happen in the USA.

It can’t happen here, huh? Get the reference? In other words, some US business leaders already tried it before. That’s the problem. We all take our system and commitment to freedom for granted, when there are a lot of things pointing to politics moving in an authoritarian direction.

[Gadianton]

What is terrifying about Americans that hold powerful positions that believe, like you, that "the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out"? Are you serious?

FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS, Senators, Congress, Military - etc - And these American citizens believe that the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out.

What about the American citizens' vote? Doesn't matter? What about laws? Doesn't matter? What about the Constitution? Doesn't matter? What about civil liberties? Doesn't matter? What about American civilization? Doesn't matter?

The context of this discussion is the election. The only thing that matters as an election issue is keeping Trump out. Keeping Trump out isn't the most "important issue" in my personal life nor in the abstract. And even if it were, the context of this discussion is the election, and so "keeping Trump out" literally means, in this context, voting in such a way that Trump doesn't win. The FBI gets a vote, you get a vote and even Binger gets a vote. Everyone who disagrees with me and thinks the most important issue is Trump winning gets as much as a vote as I do.

Further, just to make sure it's clear, it's the most important issue in my opinion, and it's the most important issue among known issues. It's possible for something to suddenly come up that would be a more pressing election issue.

Between the two of us, I respect your vote far more than you respect mine, because you have no issues with Trump or other Republicans overturning elections if they can get away with it. You'll have no issues with Trump trying to pull off a third term; you'll find a way to justify it.

[ceeboo]

What is terrifying about Americans that hold powerful positions that believe, like you, that "the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out"? Are you serious?

FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS, Senators, Congress, Military - etc - And these American citizens believe that the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out.

What about the American citizens' vote? Doesn't matter? What about laws? Doesn't matter? What about the Constitution? Doesn't matter? What about civil liberties? Doesn't matter? What about American civilization? Doesn't matter?

The context of this discussion is the election. The only thing that matters as an election issue is keeping Trump out. Keeping Trump out isn't the most "important issue" in my personal life nor in the abstract. And even if it were, the context of this discussion is the election, and so "keeping Trump out" literally means, in this context, voting in such a way that Trump doesn't win. The FBI gets a vote, you get a vote and even Binger gets a vote. Everyone who disagrees with me and thinks the most important issue is Trump winning gets as much as a vote as I do.

Thanks for clarifying. In that case, I understand your comment and I take no issue with it.

Between the two of us, I respect your vote far more than you respect mine

That's not true.

because you have no issues with Trump or other Republicans overturning elections if they can get away with it.

That's absolutely not true.

You'll have no issues with Trump trying to pull off a third term; you'll find a way to justify it.

That's absolutely not true.

[Some Schmo]

What is terrifying about Americans that hold powerful positions that believe, like you, that "the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out"? Are you serious?

FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS, Senators, Congress, Military - etc - And these American citizens believe that the only thing that matters is keeping Trump out.

What about the American citizens' vote? Doesn't matter? What about laws? Doesn't matter? What about the Constitution? Doesn't matter? What about civil liberties? Doesn't matter? What about American civilization? Doesn't matter?

The context of this discussion is the election. The only thing that matters as an election issue is keeping Trump out. Keeping Trump out isn't the most "important issue" in my personal life nor in the abstract. And even if it were, the context of this discussion is the election, and so "keeping Trump out" literally means, in this context, voting in such a way that Trump doesn't win. The FBI gets a vote, you get a vote and even Binger gets a vote. Everyone who disagrees with me and thinks the most important issue is Trump winning gets as much as a vote as I do.

Further, just to make sure it's clear, it's the most important issue in my opinion, and it's the most important issue among known issues. It's possible for something to suddenly come up that would be a more pressing election issue.

Between the two of us, I respect your vote far more than you respect mine, because you have no issues with Trump or other Republicans overturning elections if they can get away with it. You'll have no issues with Trump trying to pull off a third term; you'll find a way to justify it.

ceeboo is back doing his regular thing, which is obtusely overreacting and pearl-clutching. It's an old schtick, it's dishonest and it's boring.

[Kishkumen]

The aim of J6 insurrectionists was to stop the electoral ballot count based on Trump’s unsubstantiated claim that the election had been stolen. There were dozens of court cases regarding the election, brought by Trump, some heard before Trump-appointed judges, that failed to show the election was stolen. There was, in other words, no basis for the claim that the election was stolen, but Trump had spurred a mob to interfere with the election. That, right there, shows Trump has no regard for our elections, and he is only supportive of a process or outcome in which he prevails.

This is why he avoids committing to abide by the results of elections. In his view, the only free and fair election is the one he wins.

Please learn who this man is before you cast another vote for him.