The Fentanyl Crisis is finally solved....

[Doctor Steuss]

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Apart from the secret operation (production). How will your government distribute this to the addicts on the streets, in all the cities, to these hundreds of thousands of addicted Americans. Who would be doing this, and how long would it take to put the cartels out of business?
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I don't agree with Gad's proposal (although it would likely be effective), but I just wanted to note that it could probably be done the same way weed has been done. Dispensaries. Product has to be thoroughly tested, labeled, etc. You could even make Narcan mandated for purchases above a certain amount. When I was taking care of my mother-in-law at the end of her life, the pharmacy was required to give me a Narcan every time I filled her opioid scripts.

As an interesting example (although, obviously without the same societal risks), between the time that the first two states legalized recreational pot (2012), and 2018, Border agents seized 78 percent less marijuana. So that'd be with I think maybe 1/3 of states legalizing recreational use. Imagine if federal law was repealed? Who is going to want over-the-border skunk weed that might be laced with who-knows-what, when you can get some crazy hybrid with exact THC amount measured and labeled. You can also get tincture, gummies, cookies, etc., etc., etc.

Almost an 80% reduction in the illegal market coming in from Mexico by only 30% of states adopting legalization.

Apply that to opioids. You're getting the exact product you want, at superior quality, at the exact dose that is intended, with convenience and no legal risk. Why would anyone buy cartel supplied stuff from some dude on a street corner, or off of a craigslist advert?

From the Right-wing CATO Institute - Legalizing Marijuana Secures the Border

[Markk]

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Apart from the secret operation (production). How will your government distribute this to the addicts on the streets, in all the cities, to these hundreds of thousands of addicted Americans. Who would be doing this, and how long would it take to put the cartels out of business?
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I don't agree with Gad's proposal (although it would likely be effective), but I just wanted to note that it could probably be done the same way weed has been done. Dispensaries. Product has to be thoroughly tested, labeled, etc. You could even make Narcan mandated for purchases above a certain amount. When I was taking care of my mother-in-law at the end of her life, the pharmacy was required to give me a Narcan every time I filled her opioid scripts.

Really? And all these addicts are just going to go to the hundreds, if not thousands of government dispensaries across the country, and get their fentanyl. And if they get enough they get free Narcan?

I am just amazed at this kind of logic.

You were taking care of your MIL, and making sure she got her drugs, I get that, I have also done the same for loved ones, giving my father morphine in his last days....who is taking care of these addicted folks, especially those hopelessly lost?

How would it be effective? How would you even pull it off. I have two posts with a few questions, and I would respectively love to hear your opinions.

I believe Kensington PA, is a good example how just giving addicts free drugs won't help. Google it. This one is faith based and I get most here will not even give it a chance because it is, but aside from the faith part of it it shows a real picture of the issue of a free drug policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWGwCbSUECw

[Markk]

As an interesting example (although, obviously without the same societal risks), between the time that the first two states legalized recreational pot (2012), and 2018, Border agents seized 78 percent less marijuana. So that'd be with I think maybe 1/3 of states legalizing recreational use. Imagine if federal law was repealed? Who is going to want over-the-border skunk weed that might be laced with who-knows-what, when you can get some crazy hybrid with exact THC amount measured and labeled. You can also get tincture, gummies, cookies, etc., etc., etc.

Almost an 80% reduction in the illegal market coming in from Mexico by only 30% of states adopting legalization.

Apply that to opioids. You're getting the exact product you want, at superior quality, at the exact dose that is intended, with convenience and no legal risk. Why would anyone buy cartel supplied stuff from some dude on a street corner, or off of a craigslist advert?

From the Right-wing CATO Institute - Legalizing Marijuana Secures the Border

So how is that reducing consumption? They just busted 100 million dollars worth of pot that was grown locally maybe an hour and a half form my home a few months ago.

Legalizing pot just increases usage, just as it would with Gad's plan.

Focus on what you are saying? More pot is being smoked, and more pot heads And.... More fentanyl users equals more addiction? And you still haven't shown me how the logistics will work here? How are you going to distribute the fentanyl?

Shall we use your theory here with guns; ghost guns?....lets just sell government made guns at government stores, of a better grade, at a cheaper price than the ghost gun market?

This is just insanity Steuss.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-W_gXN8Ohg

[Markk]

The democrats have held the Whitehouse for 12 of the past 16 years IHQs'....what did they do for you on those issues?

Nothing, I’m not American. However, they did give the world 12 Trump-free years, and we should all be eternally grateful for that.

That's it? That's all you have to say to my reply to you?

So because you don't live here you don't care about the hundreds of thousands of American's dying from addictions.

Where do you live?

[canpakes]

So because you don't live here you don't care about the hundreds of thousands of American's dying from addictions.

Well, if there’s one lesson that Trump is teaching to the rest of the world, it’s that we shouldn’t give a damn about whatever happens to the rest of the world, unless we can make money off of it.

[Gunnar]

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Edward M. Brecher

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It is the most informative and enlightening book I ever read about the effect of drugs on society. It convincingly demonstrated how the highly punitive, legal prohibition of drugs approach to the very real problem of drug abuse only made the situation far, far worse by providing a highly lucrative opportunity for organized crime.

It can be downloaded for free, and I highly recommend doing so, if you really want to understand the current drug crisis.

[Markk]

Okay, Markk, while I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to present my plan to the administration, we need to slow down. Only a couple of points at a time.

Okay fair enough....take your time.

They are doing a great job because they make enough money to cover the otherwise absurd costs of running production that only gets a quarter or so of its product to the consumer. Organized crime doesn't work because the criminals are so brilliant and efficient, it works because the bans on the product leave them with no competition. They can sell the product for way too much money. The shipment from China is a tiny leg of the journey.

CFR on the quarter of cartel fentanyl gets to the consumer?

You can fentanyl for as little 50 cents a pill....One reason it is a epidemic is that because it is so cheap. I posted a video to Steuss where an ex-addict says in the open air market of Philadelphia, you can get a bag or fentanyl for 3 bucks.

Again CFR that only a quarter gets over and how much is that quarter? My family member that is on the front line here in the LA area told me they don't even scratch the amount coming over, and they get millions of pills each year.....CFR you source.

Gad...
Absolutely. That's the entire point of part A. If we could give it away for free immediately --- which I don't think we can at first but we will eventually -- then the cartel can't make enough money to sustain its operation. Taking the market over by supplying a better product for much cheaper naturally solves the barriers of "how do you get it to everybody." No helicopters needed

How do you get all this free fentanyl to the million +- addicts all over the states? Then once you have a million +- addicts addicted to your primo product....what next?

[I Have Questions]

Nothing, I’m not American. However, they did give the world 12 Trump-free years, and we should all be eternally grateful for that.

That's it? That's all you have to say to my reply to you?

Yes

So because you don't live here you don't care about the hundreds of thousands of American's dying from addictions.

Why are they dying? I mean, what is the root cause? The root cause does not lie at the supply end of this equation, it’s that there’s a demand. I’d be interested to know what caused, and is still causing, that demand, especially when it comes to creating new users. Why is there an opioid problem in the first place?

I think Gadianton is on the right track. You ain’t going to educate people and eradicate recreational demand. People do daft things despite the potential for harm. You ain’t going to stop the supply because there’s a big demand and big money to be made. So supplying that demand in a safer, cheaper, legal way, destroys the black market for fentanyl.

Big Pharma is both the cause of, and the potential solution to, the fentanyl problem. Or so it seems to me.

If a consenting adult chooses to consume a recreational product that they know has a risk of death that comes with it, isn’t their death their fault? (And I’m asking, not telling).

[Markk]

That's it? That's all you have to say to my reply to you?

Yes

So because you don't live here you don't care about the hundreds of thousands of American's dying from addictions.

Why are they dying? I mean, what is the root cause? The root cause does not lie at the supply end of this equation, it’s that there’s a demand. I’d be interested to know what caused, and is still causing, that demand, especially when it comes to creating new users. Why is there an opioid problem in the first place?

I think Gadianton is on the right track. You ain’t going to educate people and eradicate recreational demand. People do daft things despite the potential for harm. You ain’t going to stop the supply because there’s a big demand and big money to be made. So supplying that demand in a safer, cheaper, legal way, destroys the black market for fentanyl.

Big Pharma is both the cause of, and the potential solution to, the fentanyl problem. Or so it seems to me.

If a consenting adult chooses to consume a recreational product that they know has a risk of death that comes with it, isn’t their death their fault? (And I’m asking, not telling).

Yes it is their fault, but addiction is also a disease, both personally and socially. The root cause is in my opinion is how we are individually wired, with triggers that cause addiction. Sadly drug addiction starts at early ages for the most part so social pressures at a early age is "a" root cause also.

I find your wording that fentanyl addiction as recreational, as troubling, and ignorant. Where do you live? Also as I wrote, the vast majority of addictions start in the teens, so "consenting adult" is also a misnomer in regard to drug addiction. making it legal for adults will not stop the black market for a 13 year old on the streets, unless you have a youth fentanyl program. One of my next questions to Gad will be how he will deal with youth addiction and supply.

From what I gather here you just want to make drugs legal. If so, why not just have China produce it like they do lots of drugs we consume, to our specifications, then they can just distribute directly what ever dispensary's you guys have yet to come up with.

[Gadianton]

CFR on the quarter of cartel fentanyl gets to the consumer?

I asked deepseek a bunch of probing questions to estimate it; the different components of loss -- (the biggest being seizures even though you guys don't think anything was seized under Biden) -- but its from data a couple of years old. Might be some effort to get really accurate new data here.

You can fentanyl for as little 50 cents a pill....One reason it is a epidemic is that because it is so cheap.

Which is the very low end and cartel fentanyl is getting debased; other chemicals mixed in lowering potency. So the price is falling. My Fentanyl will be the real deal. Mine will be stronger but less fatal overall because there will be no guesswork about potency; no variation from batch to batch or pill to pill.

By the way, the fact that it's so relatively cheap to make and ship compared to other drugs is why all these big drug busts you boast about don't matter when translated into the amount consumed. Steuss was asking you about that -- how much are your busts reducing actual use? When 2kgs can kill 1 million people, you can just make more kgs -- double, tripple, five times what you need. why not?

How do you get all this free fentanyl to the million +- addicts all over the states?

It's not immediately free. It may even be more expensive if competing against a debased product. How does McDonalds get all those hamburgers to the millions of people it serves everyday? How could a new hamburger shop shoot up and mysteriously start selling hamburgers to McDonalds' customers? A variety of methods would be employed with advisement from my partners at the FBI. New dealers can enter the ring. As you point out from your relative, foot soldiers can be bribed. I'm sure LE at all levels has some good knowledge about supply chains, they just can't do much about it. Just think, China had 40 million addicts within the 19th century. Nowhere near our technology, yet, the CCP solved the crisis in 3 years.

Then once you have a million +- addicts addicted to your primo product....what next?

tiered user "programs". 'A' tier is basically the Steuss and Chap method. 'B" and lower involve FEMA camps.

Any time a producer of a product takes a loss to undersell their competition to drive them out of business, once they have the monopoly, the next step is to raise prices. Only, in my case, the price isn't raised in terms of dollars. The price is lowered to zero for everyone, if it hasn't been already.
But if you're coherent enough to have a conversation and get up and walk, then you and your stuff moves to a designated area. If you want your next hit.