Where are ajax18 and the trolls?

[ajax18]

Ajax is mad that Democrats didn't demolish the economy as thoroughly as Trump wanted to.

That's an odd position for both of you to take after the fact. The left won the presidency, house, and senate in 2020 based on their accusations that Trump was responsible for millions of unecessary COVID deaths due to Republican greed and unwillingness to stop going to work, shelter in place, and be content with your unemployment check. Now you're telling me that Trump wanted the economy locked down? Do you still believe he's responsible for millions of COVID deaths?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

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[Doctor Steuss]

Now you're telling me that Trump wanted the economy locked down?

I'm not telling you that. He was telling you that in the plan that he literally prepared, and published for States to follow. It's wild that even when replying to it, you still ignore it. Normally it takes at least a few weeks after I remind you of its existence to forget about it. Here we see it occur in real time.

Do you still believe he's responsible for millions of COVID deaths?

Millions? Probably not. A significant amount of people aren't dumb enough to take medical advice from a guy who walks in on children getting dressed, and craps himself regularly, over the advice of every single medical organization.

A significant amount though, through his incompetence, anti-scientific rhetoric, politicizing treatments and diverting attention and funding to already proven ineffective treatment options, and his inability to choose what position he was going to take (and his cult's obviousness to his malignant incompetence). Literally the day after he published his guidebook, and a governor implemented a fraction of the guidelines, Trump went to Twitter to have a tantrum for his brain rot death cult shouting "free Wisconsin." And of course, his marks gobbled it up.

[ajax18]

Now you're telling me that Trump wanted the economy locked down?

I'm not telling you that. He was telling you that in the plan that he literally prepared, and published for States to follow. It's wild that even when replying to it, you still ignore it. Normally it takes at least a few weeks after I remind you of its existence to forget about it. Here we see it occur in real time.

Do you still believe he's responsible for millions of COVID deaths?

Millions? Probably not. A significant amount of people aren't dumb enough to take medical advice from a guy who walks in on children getting dressed, and craps himself regularly, over the advice of every single medical organization.

A significant amount though, through his incompetence, anti-scientific rhetoric, politicizing treatments and diverting attention and funding to already proven ineffective treatment options, and his inability to choose what position he was going to take (and his cult's obviousness to his malignant incompetence). Literally the day after he published his guidebook, and a governor implemented a fraction of the guidelines, Trump went to Twitter to have a tantrum for his brain rot death cult shouting "free Wisconsin." And of course, his marks gobbled it up.

So which was it according to you? Was Trump responsible for the economic catastrophe due to COVID overreaction or did he have blood on his hands for preventable deaths due to not locking down aggressively enough or refusing to violate everyones civil rights by forcibly jabbing them with a vaccine that ultimately did not stop the spread of COVID as advertised?

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Ajax is mad that Democrats didn't demolish the economy as thoroughly as Trump wanted to.

That's an odd position for both of you to take after the fact. The left won the presidency, house, and senate in 2020 based on their accusations that Trump was responsible for millions of unecessary COVID deaths due to Republican greed and unwillingness to stop going to work, shelter in place, and be content with your unemployment check.

So why did Trump preside over lockdowns and stimulus checks?

Remember when he insisted that those stimulus checks were to prominently feature his signature?

Weird, isn’t it, that Trump insisted on destroying the economy.

Now you're telling me that Trump wanted the economy locked down? Do you still believe he's responsible for millions of COVID deaths?

Do you still believe that a worldwide pandemic was artificially created via the intentional release of a virus in another country across the globe, just to make Trump ‘look bad’?

You’re still at the top of the list of people apparently pushing wackadoodle bull**** that they don’t even seem to believe.

[Doctor Steuss]

So which was it according to you? Was Trump responsible for the economic catastrophe due to COVID overreaction or did he have blood on his hands for preventable deaths due to not locking down aggressively enough or refusing to violate everyones civil rights by forcibly jabbing them with a vaccine that ultimately did not stop the spread of COVID as advertised?

This level of daftness surely has to be performative?

Trump was responsible for aspects of the destruction of the economy (OPEC 2020, and massive money-printing, anyone?), as well as incompetence in handling the pandemic.

These aren't mutually exclusive, and I think you know that.

And Trump's vaccine worked exactly as intended. It helped reduce severe COVID and the number of hospitalizations associated with it. I know that MAGA likes to rely on strip-mall doctors that believe yeast infections are caused by having sex with demons in your sleep, but evidence-based medicine is actually a thing whether MAGA wants it to be or not.

I get it. The cognitive dissonance of fealty to Trump, and knowing that he was responsible for the vaccine, and he drafted and published a plan that mandated harsher lockdowns is a lot to wrestle with. Especially as you watch Trump destroy the economy a second time, and break nearly every promise he made to you. This is why attaching your identity to politicians, or political ideologies can be so dangerous. Any attack on leader or movement feels like an attack on your individual identity. It's not. You can (and should) separate the two.

[Doctor Steuss]

Just for fun, here's a graph of inflation. Crazy how it all of a sudden started to drop at the end of that yellow period. I wonder what the yellow period was?

Oh, that's right, it was when Trump was dog-walked by OPEC as retribution for the Syrian double-cross, because Trump is a moron that can't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag, and has the foreign policy chops of a turd marinating in a litter box. The moment Trump's disastrous deal that was the crowning achieving of his malignant idiocy expired, while Biden was President, the inflation rate started to go down.

MAGA lived through Trump destroying the economy, and the fruits of his dotard antics lasting well into Biden's presidency, and thought to themselves, "Boy, I'd sure like some more of that."

[ajax18]

These aren't mutually exclusive, and I think you know that.

Yes they are mutually exclusive. What you are doing now is trying to play both sides of the coin because you know that COVID was a terrible mistake and overreaction in which the quarantine cure was far worse than the disease itself ever was. Perhaps in the first few months we could see this was an honest mistake. But in most leftist states the economy remained shackled and sometimes completely shut down until 2022 and further. What you're quoting about Trump was an initial mistake in false science that he quickly moved on from as better information became available. The Democrats never did recognize their mistake when it came to COVID scamdemic policies. The Democrats are responsible for the economic destruction due to COVID, not Trump and certainly not MAGA. The only politicians who did worse damage to the economy than the US Democrats were leftist politicians in Europe, Australia, China, Russia, Latin America and pretty much the entire western world.

[Doctor Steuss]

Yes they are mutually exclusive. What you are doing now is trying to play both sides of the coin because you know that COVID was a terrible mistake and overreaction in which the quarantine cure was far worse than the disease itself ever was. Perhaps in the first few months we could see this was an honest mistake. But in most leftist states the economy remained shackled and sometimes completely shut down until 2022 and further. What you're quoting about Trump was an initial mistake in false science that he quickly moved on from as better information became available. The Democrats never did recognize their mistake when it came to COVID scamdemic policies. The Democrats are responsible for the economic destruction due to COVID, not Trump and certainly not MAGA.

Ah, so the protocols he implemented for governors to follow was "false science," but the stuff promoted by MAGA "demon-sex-causes-yeast-infections" doctors was good science. Good gravy dude.

At what point after you obtained your medical degree did you decide you'd abandon every evidence-based principle that you learned when aquiring it? Was it pre-MAGA, or was it sacrificed solely to appease the god-emperor?

Trump being disastrous to the economy, and him being a moron when it came to the pandemic aren't mutually exclusive. We know this because they are both demonstrably true. How exactly can two things that are mutually exclusive be true at the same time? Hint: They can't, because they aren't.

From the onset, Trump was printing more money and running up the deficit, at a higher rate than the socialist Barack HUSSEIN Obama. This pattern continued throughout COVID. Removing COVID spending, he was still printing money at an insane pace. If he had followed a rational, united, pandemic plan, the cost would have been much lower both in terms of financial and human. Most of the inflation we experienced under Biden was a direct result of Trump's being made to be OPEC's little micropenis bitch boy.

If Trump had been a leader, instead of a grifter who fills in the daddy role to his emasculated cultists who need to live vicariously through a joke of an authoritarian strongman grifter, the economic and health impact would have both been less.

The options aren't: No one dies of COVID and the economy is destroyed, or some people die from COVID and the economy booms. That's some silly sophomoric amphetamine riddled diaper wearing Trump level thinking.

The only politicians who did worse damage to the economy than the US Democrats were leftist politicians in Europe, Australia, China, Russia, Latin America and pretty much the entire western world.

And yet, somehow once Democrats were in charge, the US's real GDP growth relative to the pre-pandemic trends surpassed China, EU, and every single EMDE. And that's while still being saddled with Trump's inflationary bomb for the initial two years. In other words, when Trump was in charge, our economy did worse. But yeah, it was totally the handful of Democratic governors that were responsible. Was it Democratic governors who caused the massive net loss of manufacturing because of the ill-conceived trade war? What about the lost economic activity pre-COVID? Was that he Democrats too?

When the manufacturing sector's growth lost 75,000 jobs before COVID, was that the Democrats? Was the cost of $815,000 to taxpayers for every job saved through the washing machine tariffs the fault of Democrats? Socialism is bad, right, except when we all pay nearly a million dollars for a single person to have a job. When the stock market had a lost capitalization of $5 Trillion (yes, TRILLION) because of Trump's first trade war, was that the fault of Democrats to? Was the aggregate real income loss of $7.2 billion dollars before COVID the fault of the leftists? Was our trade deficit growing $119 billion over the course of two years (again, before COVID) the fault of the Democrats also?

This is one of the inconvenient things of relying on feelings and propaganda buzzwords over facts. I'm reminded of the old study that demonstrated people who consume right-wing media are less informed than people who consume no media at all.

Trump destroyed our economy before COVID even happened. His response to COVID was just a continuation of that trend. He did some things right (fast tracking his vaccine... that his followers ironically hate), but also did a crap-ton of things wrong. In other words, *again*, his decimation of the economy, and him doing a piss-poor job with COVID are not mutually exclusive. At least not here in the real world.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I feel bad that you typed all that out.