Anti racist baby by Ibraim Kennedy

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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:11 pm
So would Lebron James, Barack Obama or Michael Jordan's kids be among the privleged[sic] rich or is this only true for the kids of rich white people?

I don't work in hopes of being rich nor am I under the illusion that someday I won't have to work. I do it for my kids ultimately and for my own life right now.
Of course there are even some blacks and other minorities who are among the privileged rich! That doesn't change the well documented fact of still existing systemic racism that generally makes it much less likely for blacks and some other minorities to succeed in avoiding or raising themselves out of poverty, and much more likely than whites to be incarcerated and with stiffer penalties for the same crimes committed by whites. Nor does it change the fact that there is something deeply and fundamentally wrong with the insane discrepancy in wealth between the very wealthiest 1% and the lowest 90%.
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and much more likely than whites to be incarcerated and with stiffer penalties for the same crimes committed by whites.
Would you agree with Ibram kendi that we must form an anti racism government department with the authority to strike down all laws that have a disparate impact between different races?
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I wonder how intellectually stunted and insecure one has to be to be entirely obsessed with race. It's almost as though a person would need to have no confidence whatsoever in any of their innate abilities in order to hang their hat on their race, a thing they had nothing to do with, like that conveyed some special status they didn't have based on talent or intelligence.

I can't think of any way to describe it other than primitive, knuckle dragging idiocy and desperation.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:01 am
I wonder how intellectually stunted and insecure one has to be to be entirely obsessed with race. It's almost as though a person would need to have no confidence whatsoever in any of their innate abilities in order to hang their hat on their race, a thing they had nothing to do with, like that conveyed some special status they didn't have based on talent or intelligence.

I can't think of any way to describe it other than primitive, knuckle dragging idiocy and desperation.
Or you could read my post about Anglo-Saxons. 20th century hot take from Mencke.

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Some Schmo wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:01 am
I wonder how intellectually stunted and insecure one has to be to be entirely obsessed with race. It's almost as though a person would need to have no confidence whatsoever in any of their innate abilities in order to hang their hat on their race, a thing they had nothing to do with, like that conveyed some special status they didn't have based on talent or intelligence.

I can't think of any way to describe it other than primitive, knuckle dragging idiocy and desperation.
Sounds like a good description of Ibraim Kendi to me.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:19 am
Or you could read my post about Anglo-Saxons. 20th century hot take from Mencke.
I did read it and found some truth in it.

I was just trying to be more clear than that.
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Would you agree with Ibram kendi...?
So far you haven't provided an example of anything Ibram Kendi believes. I'd never heard of the guy until you brought him up. Until you can show he believes something that you're attributing to him, then nobody should answer your stupid questions.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:52 pm
Would you agree with Ibram kendi...?
So far you haven't provided an example of anything Ibram Kendi believes. I'd never heard of the guy until you brought him up. Until you can show he believes something that you're attributing to him, then nobody should answer your stupid questions.
This is a good article to get you started.

Here is just a short excerpt quote in case you don't want to plow through the whole article.

Kendi is careful not to say the quiet part out loud. Hence the vagueness at the end of the book. But in a recent Politico symposium on how to fix inequality in America, Kendi did get more specific. He supports a constitutional amendment “that enshrines two guiding anti-racist principles: Racial inequity is evidence of racist policy and the different racial groups are equals.” This is how he thinks it would work:
“It would establish and permanently fund the Department of Anti-racism (DOA) comprised of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees. The DOA would be responsible for preclearing all local, state and federal public policies to ensure they won’t yield racial inequity, monitor those policies, investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces, and monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas. The DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over and against policymakers and public officials who do not voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas.”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11 ... dgame.html

I'd never heard of the guy until you brought him up.
Now that you've heard it can you give me an idea of how equality of result would be implemented in the criminal justice system once laws against theft, rape, murder, or whatever other law that produces disparate outcomes by race?
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“It would establish and permanently fund the Department of Anti-racism (DOA) comprised of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees. The DOA would be responsible for preclearing all local, state and federal public policies to ensure they won’t yield racial inequity, monitor those policies, investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces, and monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas. The DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over and against policymakers and public officials who do not voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas.”
I do think that racism is a pernicious moral and social cancer, in its conscious personal form ("I hate XXXs"), its unthinking unconscious form (assuming that a black man walking into court is the defendant when he is an attorney), and in its structural form (rubbish schools that are de facto segregated so that bright black kids stay down). And yes, it's overwhelmingly black or brown people who suffer from it,

But having said that, I do think that the proposal that appears to be being set out in the text you quote is simply silly and misguided, and unlikely to achieve anything good if any attempt were made to put it into practice. Fortunately the person who wrote it (of whom I have never previously heard) is extremely unlikely every to be able to get this done. And that's enough said.
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