Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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I know! Like that guy whose interview I posted, why didn't the interviewer pose those kinds of questions to him? It's like he was in a state of delusion and I wonder what would have happened if the interviewer had asked him, "The President said he would go with you, right?" "Yes". "Did he go?" "No." "Why do you think that happened?"

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Had the police and Guard done their jobs, it might have been a different outcome.
Yes, perhaps it would have been different. But perhaps they also weren’t fully expecting that the acting President of the United States would rile up a large crowd with fake voter fraud porn and then explicitly direct their frenzied butthurt arses towards the Capitol and into their barricades. I’m betting that was a bit of a surprise to some of them, at least.
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subgenius wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:32 am
ever get tired of being spoon fed drone ?
Was this an attempt to leak details about the Inauguration attack.
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Res wrote:Because they’d been lied to by the President of the United States for two months. They’d been whipped up to the point that they thought they had to do all that to “save the country.” They’d been whipped up and incited by a series of speakers, capped off by the President.
This is exactly right. The entire thing is really the result of the President going all in on obvious lies about election fraud. Watching some of these clips and listening to that interview you'd linked to changed my mind about something. My exposure being mainly Ajax and subs, who lie about election fraud, not really believing it themselves, fail to find themselves all that invested. I figured that lesser educated people probably really believed it, and my crazy neighbor surely does, but I don't know, I don't think I was prepared for just how desperate some of these morons have become over it. They really, really believe it. They have really worked themselves up into a frenzy where they are out of options, and the world as they know it will collapse around them unless they take some kind of rash actions.

Sure, people at the end of the day are responsible for themselves, and I dare say throwing the circuit breaker with jail time may be beneficial to some of these people. I do hope prosecutors throw the book at them. I smiled tonight reading that one of these f-tards who chased a cop up the stairs faces 5 federal charges and lost his job. Shear beauty. But, Ajax and subs, and every right-wing politician who pushed election fraud without believing it ought to sit back and think about the harm they are collectively causing to the lives of those who do believe it, and who are ready to act where nobody else will.

It's really shameful.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:51 am
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But back to the rioters. Why did they think it was okay to attack Police officers? To break into the Capitol? To try to intimidate Congress? Why?

Because they’d been lied to by the President of the United States for two months. They’d been whipped up to the point that they thought they had to do all that to “save the country.” They’d been whipped up and incited by a series of speakers, capped off by the President.

All Trump had to do was admit he’d lost. No protest. No riot. No dead people. He just had to tell them the truth.

To pretend as if he has no responsibility in this is both absurd and dangerous. You want Medicare for all? You’re never going to see it by pretending this was all the fault of the Capitol Police.
Precisely.

The mob were attacking and injuring (and in one case actually killing) uniformed police officers!

And someone suggests that the responsibility for that rests with ...the police? Not the man who asked an angry bunch of people to come to Washington, worked them up into a lather of rage, and then pointed them towards the Capitol?

We are in Loony Tunes territory here.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:37 am
Res wrote:Because they’d been lied to by the President of the United States for two months. They’d been whipped up to the point that they thought they had to do all that to “save the country.” They’d been whipped up and incited by a series of speakers, capped off by the President.
This is exactly right. The entire thing is really the result of the President going all in on obvious lies about election fraud. Watching some of these clips and listening to that interview you'd linked to changed my mind about something. My exposure being mainly Ajax and subs, who lie about election fraud, not really believing it themselves, fail to find themselves all that invested. I figured that lesser educated people probably really believed it, and my crazy neighbor surely does, but I don't know, I don't think I was prepared for just how desperate some of these morons have become over it. They really, really believe it. They have really worked themselves up into a frenzy where they are out of options, and the world as they know it will collapse around them unless they take some kind of rash actions.

Sure, people at the end of the day are responsible for themselves, and I dare say throwing the circuit breaker with jail time may be beneficial to some of these people. I do hope prosecutors throw the book at them. I smiled tonight reading that one of these f-tards who chased a cop up the stairs faces 5 federal charges and lost his job. Shear beauty. But, Ajax and subs, and every right-wing politician who pushed election fraud without believing it ought to sit back and think about the harm they are collectively causing to the lives of those who do believe it, and who are ready to act where nobody else will.

It's really shameful.
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Re: Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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Nomomo wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:38 pm
Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

No.
But yes, that's a moronic conspiracy theory.
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Re: Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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subgenius wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:10 am
But yes, that's a moronic conspiracy theory.
Like those crazy voter fraud conspiracies that some folks keep rambling on about. : D
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