Maksutov wrote:We need borders to remain a sovereign state. But the borders can and should be managed humanely. Both right and left have to come together to make this work. Throwing partisan memes at eachother isn't cutting it. Same with all of the other major problems we have.
Oh come on Maksutov. There are people on this board you would wake up screaming in the night if they couldn't manage to get their daily ration of auto-pilot epithet throwing, plus straw-man construction and demolition.
It would all just boil up inside them until they burst.
Have a little humanity ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Maksutov wrote:We need borders to remain a sovereign state. But the borders can and should be managed humanely. Both right and left have to come together to make this work. Throwing partisan memes at eachother isn't cutting it. Same with all of the other major problems we have.
Oh come on Maksutov. There are people on this board you would wake up screaming in the night if they couldn't manage to get their daily ration of auto-pilot epithet throwing, plus straw-man construction and demolition.
It would all just boil up inside them until they burst.
Have a little humanity ...
Are you talking about the posters who call others "dick asses" and "dip craps"?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Maksutov wrote:We need borders to remain a sovereign state. But the borders can and should be managed humanely. Both right and left have to come together to make this work. Throwing partisan memes at eachother isn't cutting it. Same with all of the other major problems we have.
How is denying entry of tens millions of impoverished immigrants relevant to our sovereignty by enforcing an invisible line?
- Doc
It's about administration and legal authorities. Not very exciting stuff but indispensable in the modern age. All of our states in the US maintain borders. They have slightly different laws and failure to distinguish this can result in a horrendous clusterf. There are also security issues, but a lot of that can be managed through technology rather than boots with guns.
Before the zero tolerance policy, less than 10% of illegal entrants were criminally prosecuted. Why not? Because there is a cheap, expedited process to send them back. Zero tolerance means a huge increase in the need for prosecutors and judges, not to mention the cost of keeping all those folks in prison. Why not continue to use the expedited removal process and devote resources to speeding up the process for hearing asylum claims?
I'm still perpelexed as to why we have to permit illegal immigrants a foothold in the country with judges, jails, and legal arguments. Build the wall! Then you won't have to pay for lawyers, judges, jails, or separate children from parents. The wall certainly worked for Israel.
I've said before that I support building a wall. That said, we (the collective we) were promised that Mexico would pay for it.
Not happening.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
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“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Jersey Girl wrote:Did you try to research this at all? Because I did and apparently there is a wall on the West Bank.
I didn't say they didn't have any walls. Even the border with Mexico has many sections with big walls. The question has to do with why they choose to build big walls in some areas but not in other areas, and why they may not build any walls or fences in some areas. Ajax thinks that a big expensive wall all the way across the Mexican border would be effective in stopping most illegal immigration. He doesn't understand there is going to many factors that may make many or most areas not effective or wise to have walls or even fencing. He is very single minded based mostly on his racist feelings/ideologies.
It's about administration and legal authorities. Not very exciting stuff but indispensable in the modern age. All of our states in the US maintain borders. They have slightly different laws and failure to distinguish this can result in a horrendous clusterf. There are also security issues, but a lot of that can be managed through technology rather than boots with guns.
Wait. Enforcing our national sovereignty means picking and choosing who we let in. How do you propose to do that with bureaucracy and technology n' stuff?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
... It is clear that the outrage being hurled at President Trump has almost nothing to do with concern for the children. It is merely the latest tactic by those who desire an open southern border, to the point that the United States can no longer be considered a nation of laws and borders.
I can’t agree with The Hill in this. This rhetoric is exactly the kind of ‘either-or’ crap that has virtually ruined the American political system. It is completely possible - and logical - to want to maintain a strong border and ‘asylum’ policy and implement rigorous criteria for applicants, while simultaneously treating folks who arrive at the border sensibly and humanely.
Jersey Girl wrote: Did you try to research this at all? Because I did and apparently there is a wall on the West Bank.
I didn't say they didn't have any walls. Even the border with Mexico has many sections with big walls. The question has to do with why they choose to build big walls in some areas but not in other areas, and why they may not build any walls or fences in some areas. Ajax thinks that a big expensive wall all the way across the Mexican border would be effective in stopping most illegal immigration. He doesn't understand there is going to many factors that may make many or most areas not effective or wise to have walls or even fencing. He is very single minded based mostly on his racist feelings/ideologies.
I don't think you made yourself clear.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb