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Re: And then one day...

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Smokey wrote:It’s weird how mentally deranged and brainwashed Boomers don’t understand that there needs to be a heating system to heat Zyklon-B pellets.

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What is the evidence for this claim, Smokey?
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Smokey’s going to have to bring more game than just a few dozen shittyarse fabricated MS Paint memes to address 80 years of facts compiled by millions of individuals. But that’s not going to happen.


In early 1942, the Nazis began using Zyklon B as the preferred killing tool in extermination camps during the Holocaust.[20] They used it to kill roughly one million people in gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, and elsewhere.[21] Most of the victims were Jews, and by far the majority killed using this method died at Auschwitz.[22][23][b] Distributor Heli supplied Zyklon B to Mauthausen, Dachau, and Buchenwald, and Testa supplied it to Auschwitz and Majdanek; camps also occasionally bought it directly from the manufacturers.[25] Some 56 tonnes of the 729 tonnes sold in Germany in 1942–44 were sold to concentration camps, amounting to about 8 percent of domestic sales.[26] Auschwitz received 23.8 tonnes, of which 6 tonnes were used for fumigation. The remainder was used in the gas chambers or lost to spoilage (the product had a stated shelf life of only three months).[27] Testa conducted fumigations for the Wehrmacht and supplied them with Zyklon B. They also offered courses to the SS in the safe handling and use of the material for fumigation purposes.[28] In April 1941, the German agriculture and interior ministries designated the SS as an authorized applier of the chemical, which meant they were able to use it without any further training or governmental oversight.[29]

Rudolf Höss, commandant of Auschwitz, said that the use of Zyklon-B to kill prisoners came about on the initiative of one of his subordinates, SS-Hauptsturmführer (captain) Karl Fritzsch, who had used it to kill some Russian POWs in late August 1941 in the basement of Block 11 in the main camp. They repeated the experiment on more Russian POWs in September, with Höss watching.[30][31] Block 11 proved unsuitable for mass killings, as the basement was difficult to air out afterwards and the crematorium (Crematorium I, which operated until July 1942) was some distance away.[31] The site of the killings was moved to Crematorium I, where more than 700 victims could be killed at once.[32] By the middle of 1942, the operation was moved to Auschwitz II–Birkenau, a nearby satellite camp which had been under construction since October 1941.[22]

The first gas chamber at Auschwitz II–Birkenau was the "red house" (called Bunker 1 by SS staff), a brick cottage converted to a gassing facility by tearing out the inside and bricking up the windows. It was operational by March 1942. A second brick cottage, called the "white house" or Bunker 2, was converted some weeks later.[33][22] According to Höss, Bunker 1 held 800 victims and Bunker 2 held 1,200 victims.[34] These structures were in use for mass killings until early 1943.[35] At that point, the Nazis decided to greatly increase the gassing capacity of Birkenau. Crematorium II was originally designed as a mortuary with morgues in the basement and ground-level incinerators; they converted it into a killing factory by installing gas-tight doors, vents for the Zyklon B to be dropped into the chamber, and ventilation equipment to remove the gas afterwards.[36][c] Crematorium III was built using the same design. Crematoria IV and V, designed from the beginning as gassing centers, were also constructed that spring. By June 1943, all four crematoria were operational. Most of the victims were killed using these four structures.[37]


References for this section:


20. Longerich 2010, pp. 281–282.
21. Hayes 2004, pp. 2, 272.
22. a b c Piper 1994, p. 161.
23. Hayes 2004, p. 272.
24. Steinbacher 2005, pp. 132–133.
25. Hayes 2004, pp. 288–289.
26. Hayes 2004, p. 296.
27. Hayes 2004, pp. 294–297, chpt. Degesch and Zyklon B. "The SS learned in 1944 that the expiration dates on the Zyklon tins were not hard and fast. All in all, it seems reasonable to assume that the SS over- rather than underdosed ..." (Peter Hayes).
28. Hayes 2004, p. 283.
29. Hayes 2004, p. 284.
30. Browning 2004, pp. 526–527.
31. a b c Pressac & Pelt 1994, p. 209.
32. Piper 1994, pp. 158–159.
33. Rees 2005, pp. 96–97, 101.
34. a b c Piper 1994, p. 162.
35. Steinbacher 2005, p. 98.
36. Steinbacher 2005, pp. 100–101.
37. Rees 2005, pp. 168–169.
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Re: And then one day...

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canpakes wrote:[Zyklon information + Sources (including Steinbacker)]

Sybille Steinbacher's book on Auschwitz is... heavy.

Really heavy.

It left me a little emotionally off-kilter for a while; but, very much well worth the read. It's an absolutely incredible repository of history. I very much recommend it to anyone looking for the dark and deep dive into that place and time.


[ETA: On Amazon right now, there are used hardcover copies for about $5.)
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canpakes wrote:
Smokey wrote:There needs to be an extremely strong and thick steel door which can withstand the pressure of hundreds of people pushing against it trying to escape.


Lol. How sheltered of a life have you lived to not know how reality works? Including basics such as the construction details of a door and strikes?

Normal locked doors work just fine for trapping people, even hundreds, especially while panicked.

Please pull your soft arse up off of whatever Cheeto-strewn couch you’re lying upon, and go outside for a breather. You’re making the rest of the channer NPC crowd look even more ignorant that it already appears. And that’s no easy feat.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ ... -1.1157397


crap, man. You don't even need a door:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stati ... estigation

By this time, the nightclub's fire alarm had activated, and although there were four possible exits, most people headed for the front door through which they had entered. The ensuing stampede led to a crush in the narrow hallway leading to that exit, quickly blocking the exit completely and resulting in numerous deaths and injuries among the patrons and staff. A total of 462 people were in attendance, even though the club's official licensed capacity was 404.[3] One hundred lost their lives, and about half of the survivors were injured, either from burns, smoke inhalation, thermal trauma, or trampling.


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Exiled wrote:Smokey:

What is the point of denying the holocaust? What are you after with this? Is it just to inflame? How would the world change if the holocaust were less than what was reported or was a hoax as you seem to claim? Do you deny other mass killings as what was done to the native americans?


It's to underscore that the Jews control everything, and have used 'antisemitism' as a cudgel to dull any criticism toward them. Groypers are pushing the narrative that the Holocaust is made up in order to cow the goy into not seeing das juden as the evil connivers they truly are. The only solution to the Jewish Question is National Socialism which eliminates both capitalism and communism as options because both economic systems are control mechanism invented by das juden to fleece us.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Res Ipsa wrote:What is the evidence for this claim, Smokey?

You’ll have to give him a moment. He’s furiously (führeriously?) trying to find a few more crudely-drawn denier memes featuring disingenuous images and messaging, so that he can post them and call everyone a “Boomer” again.

While he’s struggling with that, there’s this information to consider:

Holocaust denial asserts that the doors of the “alleged” gas chambers were much too weak to withstand the pressure of people trying to escape death from inside the chambers.

Since none of the Kremas remained in their original state (Bunker I & II and Kremas II,III,IV and V destroyed, and Krema I modified) there is no physical evidence as to how the doors of the extermination gas chambers looked like. However, a door which probably belonged to an extermination gas chamber was discovered in the camp’s building yard; it is massive, and reinforced with iron bars. Furthermore, the small peephole is protected from the inside with a strong metal grid, probably installed so the victims would not break the glass in the peephole.

Those making this claim present pictures of doors for the delousing chambers, which were not fortified, presumably on the assumption that viewers are too inept to notice the switch. For a photograph of a door probably used in an extermination gas chamber, see Pressac (486). Pressac also includes photographs of a door discovered in the ruins of Krema IV.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Exiled wrote:Smokey:

What is the point of denying the holocaust? What are you after with this? Is it just to inflame? How would the world change if the holocaust were less than what was reported or was a hoax as you seem to claim? Do you deny other mass killings as what was done to the native americans?

It's to underscore that the Jews control everything, and have used 'antisemitism' as a cudgel to dull any criticism toward them. Groypers are pushing the narrative that the Holocaust is made up in order to cow the goy into not seeing das juden as the evil connivers they truly are. The only solution to the Jewish Question is National Socialism which eliminates both capitalism and communism as options because both economic systems are control mechanism invented by das juden to fleece us.

- Doc

These ideas of Jewish control preceded the holocaust. Russians were committing genocide with the pogroms long before the Germans and England, Spain and France had their turns expelling jews before the holocaust. I wonder if smokey knows this.
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Exiled,

Of course he knows it, and he celebrates it. There are various images on 4chan that show the historical dates Jews were expelled from the host country.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Exiled,

Of course he knows it, and he celebrates it. There are various images on 4chan that show the historical dates Jews were expelled from the host country.

- Doc


I guess it's hard for me to understand how someone could still be so dense. So, I have to question whether this person is purposefully posting this nonsense to get a rise out of people here.
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Exiled wrote:So, I have to question whether this person is purposefully posting this nonsense to get a rise out of people here.

I don't think there's any doubt...

I take that back. It is possible he's just that much of a fool.

Either way, he's a waste of time and space.
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