Gun shooting in Arizona

[_Quasimodo]

What about the guy who shot reagan?

Schizophrenic (I think).

[_Eric]

What about the guy who shot reagan?

The guy who shot Reagan was trying to impress Jodie Foster and originally targeted president Jimmy Carter. He came from a Republican family.

[_Calculus Crusader]

The ultra-right spokesman most famously obsessed with gold and silver is Glenn Beck, the top-rated Fox News ranter. Beck regularly suggests that he or his co-thinkers are preparing to meet this or that supposed left-wing assault with armed force, declaring last fall, for instance, that if the federal government sought to compel him to have his children vaccinated against the flu, he would invite them to “meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.”...

I believe leftist LaRouche also advocates for a return to the gold standard and his cultists like to proselytize at college campuses.

...The Times pointed out that Loughner’s claims of government mind control through the use of grammar were not simply bizarre and idiosyncratic raving—as right-wing pundits have claimed—but “were drawn from David Wynn Miller, a far-right activist in Milwaukee....

On what basis is he characterized as a "far-right activist?" Also, Loughner was apparently a fan of the Communist Manifesto, the movie Zeitgeist (i.e., discredited mythicist delusions from start to finish) and, what is it called, "Loose Change" or some such (i.e., discredited 9/11 conspiracy theory delusions from start to finish.)

...Not only did Loughner espouse views similar to those of the ultra-right, but in the hours immediately following the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, many media outlets found their online blogs filled with comments celebrating his action, posted by other deranged right-wing individuals who recognized a co-thinker.

The Los Angeles Times referred to these comments in an editorial, but there has been virtually no media coverage of these postings, which expressed sympathy for the gunman’s targeting of a prominent Democrat....

Even if those claims are true, you cannot infer Loughner's ideology or motives from those posts. That's just basic logic and critical thinking.

[_Quasimodo]

Even if those claims are true, you cannot infer Loughner's ideology or motives from those posts. That's just basic logic and critical thinking.

I'm still betting on "paranoid schizophrenic". In which case, all political motivations are out the window.

He's the right age for that to manifest and things that his parents have said point to that.

[_Eric]

I'm still betting on "paranoid schizophrenic". In which case, all political motivations are out the window.

He's the right age for that to manifest and things that his parents have said point to that.

Experts disagree. If suspect Jared Lee Loughner has schizophrenia, would that make him more likely to go on a shooting spree in Arizona?

[_Eric]

The ultra-right spokesman most famously obsessed with gold and silver is Glenn Beck, the top-rated Fox News ranter. Beck regularly suggests that he or his co-thinkers are preparing to meet this or that supposed left-wing assault with armed force, declaring last fall, for instance, that if the federal government sought to compel him to have his children vaccinated against the flu, he would invite them to “meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.”...

I believe leftist LaRouche also advocates for a return to the gold standard and his cultists like to proselytize at college campuses.

I believe you're wrong:

[LaRouche] [a]dvocates the abandonment of floating exchange rates and the return to Bretton Woods-style fixed rates, with gold, or an equivalent, used as under the gold-reserve system. This is not to be confused with the gold standard, which LaRouche does not support.

On what basis is he characterized as a "far-right activist?"

Well, you can start here with SPLC's piece on him.

Also, Loughner was apparently a fan of the Communist Manifesto, the movie Zeitgeist (i.e., discredited mythicist delusions from start to finish) and, what is it called, "Loose Change" or some such (i.e., discredited 9/11 conspiracy theory delusions from start to finish.)

If what you are saying is true, why are you being disingenuous? Please explain on what basis you make the claim that we was "a fan of the Communist Manifesto" or admit that you are simply making that up.

[_Calculus Crusader]

I believe you're wrong:

[LaRouche] [a]dvocates the abandonment of floating exchange rates and the return to Bretton Woods-style fixed rates, with gold, or an equivalent, used as under the gold-reserve system. This is not to be confused with the gold standard, which LaRouche does not support.

Possibly. I don't follow him too closely.

On what basis is he characterized as a "far-right activist?"

Well, you can start here with SPLC's piece on him.

I'll check it out, although I don't think too highly of the SPLC.

Also, Loughner was apparently a fan of the Communist Manifesto, the movie Zeitgeist (i.e., discredited mythicist delusions from start to finish) and, what is it called, "Loose Change" or some such (i.e., discredited 9/11 conspiracy theory delusions from start to finish.)

If what you are saying is true, why are you being disingenuous? Please explain on what basis you make the claim that we was "a fan of the Communist Manifesto" or admit that you are simply making that up.

In his profile on YouTube, he said that he's an avid reader and included in a long list of favorite books "Animal Farm," "Brave New World," "The Communist Manifesto," and "Mein Kampf."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 1211.story

There is nothing disingenuous about what I wrote.

[_Eric]

Possibly. I don't follow him too closely.

Then why say that? What source were you just repeating without verifying?

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In his profile on YouTube, he said that he's an avid reader and included in a long list of favorite books "Animal Farm," "Brave New World," "The Communist Manifesto," and "Mein Kampf."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 1211.story

There is nothing disingenuous about what I wrote.

It's disingenuous to imply that he was politically influenced by the Communist Manifesto. It was disingenuous to only mention the Communist Manifesto and not the other books, Animal Farm, Brave New World, Mein Kampf to make it seem like he had some Marxist leanings.

In my opinion, he was clearly just listing books that made him sound smart and learned. I believe that he probably read Animal Farm in high school.

[_Calculus Crusader]

It's disingenuous to imply that he was politically influenced by the Communist Manifesto. It was disingenuous to only mention the Communist Manifesto and not the other books, Animal Farm, Brave New World, Mein Kampf to make it seem like he had some Marxist leanings.

Uh, no. Mein Kampf had already been mentioned in the thread. I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to counter the one-sided claptrap you cited, which, by way of contrast, was disingenuous.

[_Eric]

It's disingenuous to imply that he was politically influenced by the Communist Manifesto. It was disingenuous to only mention the Communist Manifesto and not the other books, Animal Farm, Brave New World, Mein Kampf to make it seem like he had some Marxist leanings.

Uh, no. Mein Kampf had already been mentioned in the thread. I mentioned the Communist Manifesto to counter the one-sided claptrap you cited, which, by way of contrast, was disingenuous.

Like I said, you are being disingenuous by implying he was somehow influenced by the Communist Manifesto. There isn't a single example of Marxist terminology or ideals in any of his published rants, which, by way of contrast, are full of far-right wing parlance.

Feel free to post the part of the article I quoted that is disingenuous so I can inform the author.