To those who believe 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee...

[_Tarski]

Dumb Dumb Dumb.....

Actually, pal, you and the aptly named "subgenius" are the dumb ones as you two prove on a constant basis around here. Seriously.
A chemical isn't physical? Doesn't need to be handled propery?
Freedom means being able to do whatever you want? (We will never be a free country I guess since many people want to drive at 100 mph while drinking and texting )
People should be allowed to make nuclear reactors at home?
Kolob? Seer stones? Golden plates? Adam and Eve? Yeah, your'e the smart ones. LOL

Is it just a coincidence that the faculty at our top universities oppose guns on campus and are typically for more gun control in society and also arguably have the highest concentration of high IQs among any identifiable group?

But the drooling seditious rednecks fantasizing about shooting american soldiers in a last days battle to protect their stills and meth labs and avoid taxes are the smart ones? (see what I did there?)

[_Tarski]

Law Enforcement often confronts people with bombs or bomb making materials, thus any good cop that want's to be the best, will learn and be familiar with how they work, how they are made, etc.

By taking structured legal government designed classes on how to identify and deal with bombs or by having the universal God given right to damned make bombs in your basement?

which is it?

[_subgenius]

Actually, I am more disturbed by this:

Tarski: Freedom doesn't mean being able to do whatever you want.

subgenius: actually that is what the word means.

Stupidity can be more disturbing than insanity.

i could not agree more...i am very disturbed by your post

free·dom
/ˈfrēdəm/
Noun
The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
(emphasis mine)

https://www.google.com/search?q=freedom ... e&ie=UTF-8

[_Tarski]

Actually, I am more disturbed by this:

Tarski: Freedom doesn't mean being able to do whatever you want.

subgenius: actually that is what the word means.

Stupidity can be more disturbing than insanity.

i could not agree more...i am very disturbed by your post

free·dom
/ˈfrēdəm/
Noun
The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
(emphasis mine)

https://www.google.com/search?q=freedom ... e&ie=UTF-8

Umm, grown ups know that words have many meanings that depend on context. In this case the context is political.
See 1 b and c below but more importantly #Second Amendment:

(Note also that if you were right about the relevant meaning for this discussion then I wouldn't be free until I can have unrestricted sex with Angelina Jolie and make money out of tissue paper. And to think, Jesus said that the truth would set me free (let me do whatever the hell I want?)

So again, see 1 b and c below but more importantly #Second Amendment:

1 : the quality or state of being free: as

a: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action

b: liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : independence

c: the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous <freedom from care>

d: ease, facility <spoke the language with freedom>

e: the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken <answered with freedom>

f: improper familiarity

g: boldness of conception or execution

h: unrestricted use <gave him the freedom of their home>

2 a: a political right

[_ludwigm]

http://bossip.com/747568/jesus-take-the ... 3LIuUfs.99

Police said a teen mistakenly shot his 12-year-old brother, killing him, inside their Lake Nona home Friday afternoon. The shooting happened on Portafino Drive in the Nona Crest Subdivision in Orange County. According to investigators, the shooting was accidental. Authorities said the two brothers were home alone, when the older boy feared an intruder was inside the house and grabbed a gun.

“He heard some noises and he called out for his brother and he didn’t answer and so then his brother startled him,” said Orlando Police Department Detective Mike Moreschi. Detectives said the 16-year-old shot and struck his brother, then realized the tragic mistake and called 911. A police spokesman said the 12-year-old was taken to Arnold Palmer Hospital where he died.

Freedom...

Do what you want...

[_subgenius]

the logic from ludwigm and Tarski is alarmingly (though not surprisingly) absent on this topic

what about knife control?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 10322.html

but another person that was in the home thought an intruder had entered the home and stabbed the person multiple times.
...
The mistaken intruder entered through the front door... because it was apparently common for him to visit his family's home to which he had his own key.
...
After the stabbing, and apparently after it was realized the man who entered the home was not in fact an intruder, the family called 911 for help. And although the man was rushed to the hospital to have his wounds treated, he later died of his injuries.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mistake ... e&ie=UTF-8

and what about stick control?
http://articles.ivpressonline.com/2012- ... t_32497754

and what about boxing glove control?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_S._Dutton


funny thing about freedom...cowards and fascists abhor it.

[_Tarski]

the logic from ludwigm and Tarski is alarmingly (though not surprisingly) absent on this topic

what about knife control?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 10322.html

but another person that was in the home thought an intruder had entered the home and stabbed the person multiple times.
...
The mistaken intruder entered through the front door... because it was apparently common for him to visit his family's home to which he had his own key.
...
After the stabbing, and apparently after it was realized the man who entered the home was not in fact an intruder, the family called 911 for help. And although the man was rushed to the hospital to have his wounds treated, he later died of his injuries.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mistake ... e&ie=UTF-8

and what about stick control?
http://articles.ivpressonline.com/2012- ... t_32497754

and what about boxing glove control?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_S._Dutton


funny thing about freedom...cowards and fascists abhor it.

Hey fool. Gun control does not eliminate gun ownership. Get it? No I didn't think so.

[_ldsfaqs]

the logic from ludwigm and Tarski is alarmingly (though not surprisingly) absent on this topic

what about knife control?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 10322.html

but another person that was in the home thought an intruder had entered the home and stabbed the person multiple times.
...
The mistaken intruder entered through the front door... because it was apparently common for him to visit his family's home to which he had his own key.
...
After the stabbing, and apparently after it was realized the man who entered the home was not in fact an intruder, the family called 911 for help. And although the man was rushed to the hospital to have his wounds treated, he later died of his injuries.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mistake ... e&ie=UTF-8

and what about stick control?
http://articles.ivpressonline.com/2012- ... t_32497754

and what about boxing glove control?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_S._Dutton


funny thing about freedom...cowards and fascists abhor it.

Hey fool. Gun control does not eliminate gun ownership. Get it? No I didn't think so.

Hey fool yourself.... what in the world makes you think it "doesn't"?
Do you even have ANY idea how many Country's and Cities have implemented "gun control" and it ended up either 100% or near TOTAL "elimination of gun ownership"?

Further, why do you ignore the BILLIONS in just the last 200 years that are DEAD because of your "gun control" which resulted in the "elimination of gun ownership"?

Watch the "Innocents Lost" video on Youtube.

Why don't you tell that to the BLACKS who had their rights to "gun ownership" eliminated by liberals just like you in the past?

Watch the video I just posted here in the words of the modern heritage.

Further, it's not "gun control" either, it's gun elimination. You are "eliminating" our choices, eliminating and DICTATING our right to self defense of ourselves, family and community according to what WE in our FREE AGENCY believe we need for ANY SITUATION.

Further, your devil buddies in politics most certainly want to eliminate guns, wake up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DKuN2ey80

Nearly every single liberal in public who "claims" that they aren't going to or trying to take away our guns have been caught making that very claim and desire.

When are YOU going to stand up for Freedom against Tyranny and the Liberal Elites who will be the ONLY ONES with the power and money when they destroy our rights, our freedoms, and our economy?

[_Molok]

Frankly, I don't believe mentally unstable people like yourself who build bombs in their basement should be allowed to own a firearm, LDSFAQs. You're obviously not able to handle the responsibility.

[_Tarski]

Further, your devil buddies in politics most certainly want to eliminate guns, wake up.

Show me the proposed legislation by Obama or any prominant democrat in recent history that proposes to eliminate gun ownership. Until you can do that, you remain a paranoid nut and/or liar.
From Kolob to the imagined socialist agenda hidden in climate science to your paranoia about gun control----nothing you believe is true. Wholesale fantasy.