Amelia Earhart captured by Japanese, didn't crash in the sea

[_AmyJo]

The "dig" was the part I referred to above when I said it was cheesy!

I wonder what the significance of that photo was to the ONI? That's what interests me on first viewing. I wasn't in awe of the photographic overlay. But I do find it interesting that those were 2 Caucasians where I didn't notice it the first time I saw it.

I think at least some of the witnesses were credible. I want to know more about them. I'm still not sure who that woman was dated 1968, the math didn't add up for me the first go round. I'll run through the whole thing again as I have time tomorrow.

I also want to know more about the investigators. That one worked for the FBI? I have to look him up tomorrow.

I'm happy someone else watched it and commented!

I will try to keep an open mind if anything else comes up, but right now, I have doubts. Witness testimony is always a little dicy. Especially after so much time has passed. Most of what I saw was recollections of what someone's parents or grandparents had to say. Hearsay evidence.

The thing that is always in the back of my mind with these types of programs is that the major factor for producers of shows like this is that it will draw an audience and sponsors.

I'll wait to see if something else surfaces in the area of real evidence to support it. I'm not saying it can't be true, just that I will need a lot more to believe that it is.

I just finished watching it. Thanks to Jersey Girl for posting the livestream video, because last night I missed watching it due to a migraine.

It was compelling. The eyewitnesses who were interviewed are the last living witnesses who were there. The evidence found while not 100% conclusive is compelling enough to be believable - add to the US government coverup of Earhart's disappearance, as that of the Japanese government's - it does seem like she became a casualty of war.

I cringe at the thought of her being beheaded. That's just awful, given she'd committed no crime other than miscalculating where to land her plane.

The two Marines were convinced they'd been ordered to dig up hers and Noonan's remains. The investigators of the documentary were very thorough in my opinion, leaving no stone unturned in making their film to tell her story.

Whatever evidence there is, they have been able to sift through layers and decades of buried and forgotten to get at.. I doubt there will be anything further because the US isn't about to open its books nor will the Japanese on any of its war crimes.

[_moksha]

Show is a little cheesy (suspense factor) but not horribly so.

I think the History Channel requires this of all their programs.

The good thing about this theory is that it does not involve the Illuminati or extraterrestrial visitors.

[_Jersey Girl]

I need to watch it again. I still don't know who took the photo and why, and what it was doing in the national archives...and why did the ONI keep it as a piece of evidence and as evidence of what? Was it in a file? Was the file labeled and as what? Was there anything else IN the file and what was it?

I don't know about the woman in the field dated 1968 who is relating the story about execution. There was something wrong about the math there for me and the woman's age, but I must not have been fully attending to that part.

I don't know what the practices are for the History Channel. The one eye witness sounded credible but did they prompt her prior to filming? Did they know what she'd say before putting the cameras on her? I don't believe the meeting was spontaneous and on camera as they made it out to be.

I guess I don't take anything at face value and question everything. I'll watch it again and see what I think about it all.

[_Quasimodo]

I need to watch it again. I still don't know who took the photo and why, and what it was doing in the national archives...and why did the ONI keep it as a piece of evidence and as evidence of what? Was it in a file? Was the file labeled and as what? Was there anything else IN the file and what was it?

I don't know about the woman in the field dated 1968 who is relating the story about execution. There was something wrong about the math there for me and the woman's age, but I must not have been fully attending to that part.

I don't know what the practices are for the History Channel. The one eye witness sounded credible but did they prompt her prior to filming? Did they know what she'd say before putting the cameras on her? I don't believe the meeting was spontaneous and on camera as they made it out to be.

I guess I don't take anything at face value and question everything. I'll watch it again and see what I think about it all.

It was produced in the same style that they do "Ancient Aliens" type programs, which just increased my skepticism. When they record scenes with two or three camera sets, it means it was all scripted and planned out well ahead of time and it's not spontaneous.

[_Jersey Girl]

It was produced in the same style that they do "Ancient Aliens" type programs, which just increased my skepticism. When they record scenes with two or three camera sets, it means it was all scripted and planned out well ahead of time and it's not spontaneous.

I don't know what Ancient Aliens is. You mean like a reality show? My problem is that I don't watch regular programming any more. But I have seen the Kardashians' probably oh, a dozen times, and I know good and well it's all set up in advance. At least I think it is.

Right?

Anything else I've seen are DIY related things like Fixer Upper and that OJ vs the People mini series I saw last year or the year before. Whenever it was.

That's one of the reasons I need to watch this again so I can look at how it's set up. The first go round, I just went through it for content, not approaches or documentation, sources or that sort of thing.

[_Quasimodo]

It was produced in the same style that they do "Ancient Aliens" type programs, which just increased my skepticism. When they record scenes with two or three camera sets, it means it was all scripted and planned out well ahead of time and it's not spontaneous.

I don't know what Ancient Aliens is. You mean like a reality show? My problem is that I don't watch regular programming any more. But I have seen the Kardashians' probably oh, a dozen times, and I know good and well it's all set up in advance. At least I think it is.

Right?

Anything else I've seen are DIY related things like Fixer Upper and that OJ vs the People mini series I saw last year or the year before. Whenever it was.

That's one of the reasons I need to watch this again so I can look at how it's set up. The first go round, I just went through it for content, not approaches or documentation, sources or that sort of thing.

I won't direct you to an Ancient Alien program... I'm doing you a favor. If you want to look up one on your own, you have been warned.

DIY programs are a combination of live recording and scripted scenes. This is not dishonest. They are just trying to make it interesting and teach you something at the same time. What you see in an episode that looks like it took two days to complete, takes a week or two to shoot. Much more if you include pre-production.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm going to try watching television programming this winter. That is my pledge.

:-)

[_Chap]

I don't know what the practices are for the History Channel. The one eye witness sounded credible but did they prompt her prior to filming? Did they know what she'd say before putting the cameras on her? I don't believe the meeting was spontaneous and on camera as they made it out to be.

Believe me, it is extremely unlikely that the 'encounter' was not carefully set up. I speak of what I know. 'I'd like you to just do that entry again [for the 54th time]. Come round the corner, walk towards that tree, and then when you get just there you turn towards the camera and look a bit surprised. Jake will take it from there.'

[_AmyJo]

I find it very tragic that if what the eye witness accounts say are true, that Amelia suffered a horrible and very unlikely death to the kind of life she led.

If she'd been given the choice of death by beheading or drowning in the sea, no doubt she'd have chosen the latter one - at least she'd have rather gone down with her plane than be killed in the manner that she was.

It is something that shouldn't be glossed over by history nonetheless. We have a right to know, as does her heirs and relatives.

She was and still is an American icon. That she died an ignominus death only makes her story that much more incredulous, but real.

Meanwhile, the US government was sitting on this information for decades. Decades. That is what was shameful. Why such secrecy? How did it benefit them other than the alliance that came after WWII with Japan?

One of the eye witnesses remarked on how kindly Amelia's eyes were. That is something one notes just from looking at her photographs. That is something that was a part of who she was - kind at her core.

The other thing that got me was this: having been accused of spying for the Allies and then summarily executed for it; can only imagine the torture that preceded hers and Noonan's executions. Mind boggling.

[_MissTish]

This was in The Guardian today, if anyone is interested:

Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan


Documentary claimed photo showed aviator on Japanese-held Marshall Islands in 1937, but image was found in book published two years earlier


....But serious doubts now surround the film’s premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan’s national library.

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... r-by-japan