BOOM: Steve Bannon Suggests Donald Trump Met With Russians

[_Brackite]

And Majax, if you happen to pop in here, does this qualify as Bannon turning on Trump for you?

And as of yet, contrary to EAllusion's prediction, I've yet to see Breitbart turn it's guns on Trump.

ETA: The comments on this story over at Breitbart seem to be pretty evenly split. The cog-dis of having your two "leaders" of the movement pitted against each other must be extreme.

Majax hasn't been in this thread yet. He is both a big fan of Trump and Bannon. I think that he is likely a bit torn over the fallout between Trump and Bannon.

ETA: Hannity is also a big fan of Trump and Bannon, and he has been downplaying the fallout between Trump and Bannon.

[_Maxine Waters]

Majax hasn't been in this thread yet. He is both a big fan of Trump and Bannon. I think that he is likely a bit torn over the fallout between Trump and Bannon.

ETA: Hannity is also a big fan of Trump and Bannon, and he has been downplaying the fallout between Trump and Bannon.

I'll admit this sounds awful. But didn't something similar happen between DJT and Jeff Sessions. I haven't heard any more about that lately. I still don't see Bannon saying this qualifying as Breitbart turning its guns on DJT.

[_moksha]

Subgenius, would you agree with one measure of Bannon's ineptness is that he keeps aligning himself with Bozo candidates?

So has Trump abandoned his original cover story that this meeting which did not occur was only to discuss Russian adoptions?

[_Brackite]

Subgenius, would you agree with one measure of Bannon's ineptness is that he keeps aligning himself with Bozo candidates?

So has Trump abandoned his original cover story that this meeting which did not occur was only to discuss Russian adoptions?

Yes, Moore was a very bad candidate that lost in a state that both Romney and Trump got over 60% from. The good news for Republicans going foward is that Bannon is likely going to have less influence in getting his bad candidates through the GOP Senate Primaries with his embarrassment from Alabama.

[_subgenius]

Subgenius, would you agree with one measure of Bannon's ineptness is that he keeps aligning himself with Bozo candidates?

Nope. While I can not say I support Bannon, I can not say he is inept. I'm not sure what skill you think he is lacking, but that skill surely is irrelevant to either of us recognising his name.

So has Trump abandoned his original cover story that this meeting which did not occur was only to discuss Russian adoptions?

I have yet to see evidence that anything needed "cover", ergo cover story?

[_DarkHelmet]

Steve Bannon has a new name. He is now Sloppy Steve Bannon

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tw ... ?r=UK&IR=T

Please update your posts to reflect his new name.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here's an interesting perspective on Sloppy Steve's motivations:

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... p/ds6fodx/

[–]random-dent 777 points 1 day ago*x2

To really understand this you have to get Bannon.

It's important to remember that Bannon isn't quite a white nationalist or Trumpian per se - he's a hardcore isolationist-nationalist with a worldview that "Western civilization" is under threat and in decline. He thinks in apocalyptic terms and sees himself as a prophet in an epochal struggle to save his tribal people, and is willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve those ends - thus his obsession with China, immigration, etc. He believes ardently in "traditional values" and in a myth of the moral superiority of a Leave it to Beaver 1950's manufacturing and masculine America.

To the degree that he's racist it's not about skin color, it's about beliefs and behaviour, and to the degree that he's anti-immigrant it's because of immigrants unwillingness to be the kind of "pure" American he wants them to be. He sees a worldview wherein globalization leads to moral degeneration and the eventual swamping of his superior culture by other inferior cultures. His Islamophobia isn't the terrorist-fearing post-9/11 that is so common, but a deeper one more rooted in xenophobia. He's not afraid of people blowing up buildings, he's afraid that the West's openness to new ideas and new people, combined with the East's closed-ness, will lead to the West's cultural erosion until it becomes dominated by Islam or China, while Islamic and Chinese countries are able to maintain a "pure" ideology/culture. He sees globalization as a scheme of a cabal of evil bankers who don't care about anything but their bottom line, and are thus complicit in the decline of his beloved civilization - which is where his populism, to the degree that he's a populist, comes from.

Now, Bannon also thinks he's a genius. He's way smarter than everyone else, sees these trends happening and is crying and screaming while everyone else lets their entire civilization crumble around them. He needs power to get the things he wants to do done - to save his people. Where does that power come from? White nationalists, Tea Party Republicans, Nazis. He doesn't worry about it, because he's smart, he can control people, and anyways this is so dire that the ends justify the means. If he stokes up racial animus to get people to vote for Trump, who cares? Trump will help him save the world.

Here's the problem. Trump doesn't have an ideology, except the glory of Trump. So when he takes office, he's suddenly being told that people will love him more if he behaves more traditionally. Congressional Republicans have certain policy goals that are different from Bannon's, and when they fail, it's seen as a Trump failing. So he drifts more and more into being a traditional Republican President, albeit far less effective. He appoints Ron Swansons to ensure their departments don't function, but doesn't outright destroy them. He talks about a border wall and gets a mild, temporary immigration ban in place, but doesn't do anything with it. And he has no antipathy at all to giant, globalized business, except when he can use it to make his constituents adore him. So not only is he being frustratingly uncontrollable, when you can control him, he's too incompetent to get anything done.

So Bannon is no lot the genius hand behind the throne he though he would be. He's an impotent vizier whose sultan is constantly drifting to other people's influence. To add insult to injury, he eventually loses even the fiction of influence, and is fired.

Bannon always knew Trump was an idiot and an egotist, but he thought he could use him. It's imminently clear that Trump is not going to be useful in Bannon's epochal struggle, so he can say what he really thinks of him while trying cultivate the "alt-right" in an attempt to defend his culture from the horrible influx of others. The only danger in doing so is alienating the alt-right who still believe in Trump, but he sees that as little danger because he created Trump, and he is using the alt-right, and can still control them... right?

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[_grindael]

Trump did cheat, with the Russians. It's all coming out. And of course he blamed Clinton of cheating, that there was massive voter fraud, but just signed an Ex. Order dismantling his ridiculous Voter Fraud Commission...

Um, it takes a little more than "cuz I said so" to convince me, sorry. When ya gots dat evidence then maybe try posting again...try more facts and less hair fire.

There is no convincing Trump sycophants. Keep the flame retardant handy, you'll need it. And it is a FACT that Trump just dismantled the "Voter Fraud" Commission and blamed Clinton of cheating, which he just mentioned again today. I know that real facts are kind of anathema to you Trump sycophants, but they don't go away because you call them "Fake News".

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

“Now that Russian collusion, after one year of intense study, has proven to be a total hoax on the American public, the Democrats and their lapdogs, the Fake News Mainstream Media, are taking out the old Ronald Reagan playbook and screaming mental stability and intelligence,”

“….Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star…..”

“….to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius….and a very stable genius at that!”

That's some 4d chess right there. Yep.

- Doc

[_Res Ipsa]

It’s at least 7th d...