Last year, Donald Trump Jr. testified that he never informed his father of a meeting with Russian officials promising “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. It seemed hard to believe that the ne’er-do-well son would neglect to seek credit for his expected campaign coup from the father whose approval he so obviously craves. And now it seems that Robert Mueller has obtained proof that it is not in fact true. The Trump family lies all the time, of course, but doing it under oath is a crime.
Two days ago, Gabriel Sherman reported that White House officials are concerned about Donald Jr. “I’m very worried about Don Jr.,” a former West Wing official told Sherman, who fears Mueller will be able to prove perjury. Deep in a report about Trump’s 2020 campaign plans, Politico drops the news this morning that Trump Jr. “has told friends in recent weeks that he believes he could be indicted.”
If it’s what you’re saying, we love it.
The details of the expected indictment remain to be seen. But if Trump Jr. did lie under oath, the obvious question is why. He had a lawyer, who presumably informed him of the dangers of perjury. Why take the risk of perjury to deny having informed his father about a meeting with Russian officials if the contacts produced absolutely nothing?
If Trump Jr. is indicted and convicted of anyhing, no matter what, is there any serious doubt that his idiot father will immediately give him a presidential pardon?
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
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Gunnar wrote:If Trump Jr. is indicted and convicted of anyhing, no matter what, is there any serious doubt that his idiot father will immediately give him a presidential pardon?
Yeah, I have some doubt there. There's a lot of chatter that a Trump Jr. indictment is coming soon, incidentally.
Indicting Jr over what, a perjury trap? Lying to the FBI? People only have so much patience for this crap. I'd say about the only thing worse than impeaching Trump, in terms of blowback for Democrats, would be going after his kids. This is the new America, SMH. What's to stop Trump from ordering his AG to appoint a new special investigator to go after... whoever? Trump will declassify all of it. Everything. Put it right on whithouse dot gov. I don't think Trump would pardon his son. Doesn't need to. He can just burn it all down instead.
Water Dog wrote:Indicting Jr over what, a perjury trap? Lying to the FBI? People only have so much patience for this crap. I'd say about the only thing worse than impeaching Trump, in terms of blowback for Democrats, would be going after his kids. This is the new America, SMH. What's to stop Trump from ordering his AG to appoint a new special investigator to go after... whoever? Trump will declassify all of it. Everything. Put it right on whithouse dot gov. I don't think Trump would pardon his son. Doesn't need to. He can just burn it all down instead.
You know it's possible that he repeatedly lied about a meeting in which he was caught red-handed seeking out illicit Russian assistance because he actually did things that he wanted to hide because they were illegal.
EAllusion wrote:You know it's possible that he repeatedly lied about a meeting in which he was caught red-handed seeking out illicit Russian assistance because he actually did things that he wanted to hide because they were illegal.
Maybe. I guess we'll see. Could also be fake news and there is no Jr indictment at all.
"If Jeff Sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay." - Lindsey Graham in 2017
"I look forward to working with President @realDonaldTrump to find a confirmable, worthy successor so that we can start a new chapter at the Department of Justice and deal with both the opportunities and challenges our nation faces." - Lindsey Graham in 2018
I'd love to know what turned Graham into a Trump toady. It happened almost instantly and was Orwellian in its thanking Trump for raising chocolate rations totality. What the hell happened that produced that?
Water Dog wrote:Right, something he said about a year and a half ago. I mean it's not like the context that comes with the passage of time matters.
The context is the same. The first quote is in reference to rumors that Trump was going to fire Sessions in order to have an AG not recused from the Mueller investigation in order to control it more effectively. The second quote is in response to Trump having done just that.
EAllusion wrote:The context is the same. The first quote is in reference to rumors that Trump was going to fire Sessions in order to have an AG not recused from the Mueller investigation in order to control it more effectively. The second quote is in response to Trump having done just that.
Sessions isn't retiring. He was forced out.
The context is completely different. When Graham said that Mueller had barely been appointed. He had not been given a chance to do anything. Since that time it's been a proven political witch hunt that has turned up exactly nothing other than partisan hacks within the FBI/DOJ and fodder for leftist media. Come on EA, lies do not become us. You're smarter than this and I won't waste my time with intellectual insults. I don't believe for a second that you can simultaneously roll your eyes at benghazi and email gate and fast and furious and all the other things while genuinely believing this to be a thing. Even if you did believe it to be a thing, a reasonable person would at the very least acknowledge that the context has certainly changed and it's not fair to assert Graham is going back on what he said. This is not July 2017.