What will/did Mueller say?

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Re: What will/did Mueller say?

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The news aggregator RealClearPolitics had the following first four headlines following Mueller's testimony:

"Mueller Testimony a Complete Disaster for Democrats" - The Federalist
"Republicans Misfire During Mueller Hearing" - The Atlantic
"Confused Mueller Raises Investigation Questions" - Washington Examiner
"Mueller Reminds the Public: Trump Betrayed the U.S." - Mother Jones

Take from that what you will.
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I've just begun the 8-ish hours of testimony but watched some highlights. Jim Jordan is a complete joke. As always.

The back and forth--"But you didn't charge him". My god, how ridiculous. Of course Mueller didn't charge him. He couldn't charge him because his hands were tied! Aren't they listening? Paying attention? Don't they know why Trump wasn't charged?

They make themselves look like bungling idiots.
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honorentheos wrote:The news aggregator RealClearPolitics had the following first four headlines following Mueller's testimony:

"Mueller Testimony a Complete Disaster for Democrats" - The Federalist
"Republicans Misfire During Mueller Hearing" - The Atlantic
"Confused Mueller Raises Investigation Questions" - Washington Examiner
"Mueller Reminds the Public: Trump Betrayed the U.S." - Mother Jones

Take from that what you will.


That’s a perfect recap, Honor.
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honorentheos wrote:The news aggregator RealClearPolitics had the following first four headlines following Mueller's testimony:

"Mueller Testimony a Complete Disaster for Democrats" - The Federalist
"Republicans Misfire During Mueller Hearing" - The Atlantic
"Confused Mueller Raises Investigation Questions" - Washington Examiner
"Mueller Reminds the Public: Trump Betrayed the U.S." - Mother Jones

Take from that what you will.


It’s sadly so true. Really bothers me that such a great legendary legal mind was probably nothing more than Weismann puppet who had little coherent control over his investigation at all. The real story to come is Nadler and the rest of his desperate Democrats knew of his mental/physical state but forced him to sit in front of cameras anyway. His testimony, all day, reminded me of Regan in his final months. But the Democrats really didn’t care about destroying the image of a great man during his fragility.

It has now become so apparent that his investigation was not “independent” which will come out soon but really matters little at this point. Still, rather shallow that the Democrats put this patient on the stand for 8 hours today. They, accordingly, got what they deserved.

What’s next for the Democrats - Ginsburg on the stand all day to ask her questions about Trump’s married life?

The Democrats have lost all touch on what’s important to Americans.

[doubt this gets a timely post or response from EA]
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Bach wrote:
The Democrats lost it today - badly. Hard to dispute. But put your opinion out there! If you believe they won, they should go straight to impeachment, right?!?!

There is no requirement anywhere in our laws to “Exonerate”! It’s innocent till proven guilty. But let’s not debate the small stuff, put your knowledge on the line: will the Democrats now impeach this SOB? If not - why not?

My prediction: they will attempt to find a way to drop this crap ASAP. Pelosi is already panicked that she loses house. They are losing badly in this abortion. Nadler, Schiff, the squad and the economy just gave Trump 2020!!!!


We already have strong evidence for more than 10 counts of obstruction of justice. That's just a fact. Mueller has left it in congress's hands to begin impeachment. His hands were tied.

Mueller made this clear. Did you actually watch the testimony or did you read headlines downplaying everything from your usual far right wackadoodle sources?
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[–]Mr_Football 754 points 8 hours ago*

Trump was not exonerated for obstruction? Check.

Russia attacked our election and there is no Russia hoax? Check.

Russia wanted Trump to win? Check.

Trump campaign welcomed this help? Check.

Trump campaign shared information with Russian intelligence? Check.

Trump told people to falsify records to cover it up? Check.

Trump told folks to lie to cover his violations up? Check.

Trump needed to be interviewed, but because he would have fought it for years, they moved on? Check.

Trump also refused to answer most of the written questions. This impeded/hurt the investigation? Check.

The written answers Trump did respond with contradicted other evidence, meaning he lied to the DoJ? Check.

Russian fake propaganda was seen by over 120 million Americans online? Check.

Trump lied to America about his business deal with Russia? Check.

If Trump wasn't President, he could be indicted right now? Check.

When Trump is no longer President, he can be indicted? Check.

Is accepting Foreign Aid in order to help win an election unethical. “Yes. And a crime.”


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I'm not sure who today's hearings will impress. If you don't already know what a fuck-up asshole criminal Trump is, you're a delusional lost cause.
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Figured as much. ; )

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked Mueller at his hearing on Wednesday if the Russian government “perceived it would benefit from one of the candidates winning.”

Mueller confirmed that they did.

“Which candidate would that be?” Lofgren asked.

“Well, it would be Trump,” Mueller said.
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Gray Ghost wrote:
We already have strong evidence for more than 10 counts of obstruction of justice. That's just a fact. Mueller has left it in congress's hands to begin impeachment. His hands were tied.

Mueller made this clear. Did you actually watch the testimony or did you read headlines downplaying everything from your usual far right wackadoodle sources?


Who is “we”? Sounds like only you, KG and EA!!! LMAO

If you and your boys here believe so strongly that today’s testimony, from a now exposed, (sadly), pre dementia special counsel, proves your “self fulfilling prophecy” why aren’t “articles of impeachment” being filed this week by the Democrats??? They won’t! Pelosi knows today was a disaster for both the Democrats and the Nadler/Schiff clown show. Even the liberal press is running around like Maddow on 2016 election night. It’s so embarrassing for them that they have no idea what to do right now. If it wasn’t so hilarious it would be pitiful for the Democrats - and it’s both!

While the Democrats flail in “investigations”, Trump is out winning on policies and an economy that Americans really care about! And what’s even more hilarious is he’s got them all running from the face of their party he created: The Squad!!! Trump, like him or not, has got the whole Democrat party looking like fools. Sadly, he’s doing this while shooting himself in the foot on a weekly basis. That how bad this Democrat party really is from every aspect.

The only person who can beat Trump in 2020 is —— Trump!
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Re: What will/did Mueller say?

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Jersey Girl wrote:Aren't they listening? Paying attention? Don't they know why Trump wasn't charged?

They make themselves look like bungling idiots.

Ironic.
Have you actually noticed the charges that have been "charged" ?

So far, Trump and no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.

No hands are "tied" for Trump associates.

So, who has been charged and with what?
Of about 37 people charged...26 are Russians (GRU agents and companies). That leaves about 11 who are actually in Trump's orbit.....and their charges?...lying and tax evasion.
Not collusion, Not conspiracy, Not election tampering, Not p%&&y grabbing, Not fraternity sex cult-ing, Not racism, Not emoluments, Not anything.....


the only bungling idiots are those who have hitched their wagon to the burning hair-fire that is the Democratic strategy for 2020...a.k.a. Trump Derangement Syndrome.
(tell us honestly, can you see Russia from your house?)
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