Trump Has Plan to BYPASS Election Results If He Loses

[_Temp. Admin.]

Mail in ballets is a great idea, but drop boxes so one does not have to depend on the post system is a fantastic idea.

Mail in ballets are not a good idea. To fully enjoy a ballet, it must be viewed in person in the actual theater.

[_MeDotOrg]

Mail in ballets is a great idea, but drop boxes so one does not have to depend on the post system is a fantastic idea.

Mail in ballets are not a good idea. To fully enjoy a ballet, it must be viewed in person in the actual theater.

What if the ballets are dropped in opera boxes?

[_Some Schmo]

Mail in ballets are not a good idea. To fully enjoy a ballet, it must be viewed in person in the actual theater.

I've never really liked males in tights, so males in ballets kind of wig me out to begin with.

Females in ballets, on the other hand, make all the sense in the world.

[_Gunnar]

Regardless of the outcome, I think the election is showing the limitations of the electoral college system. Expect to see movement towards a Constitutional Amendment before 2024.

That movement will almost certainly be greatly hampered by Trump's new nominee to the Supreme Court, even if he loses the election. If he wins it, and gets another 4 years to wreak further havoc on our democracy, it might be game over for any chance of achieving that. Based on what we have heard and observed of what Trump has said and done since he became president, I doubt he has any desire to preserve our democracy at all, let alone improve it. I have little doubt of his tyrannical ambitions, nor his desperation to escape the indictment and prosecution that for crimes New York prosecutors are investigating him for, that will almost certainly follow the end of his term, should he lose.

[_Res Ipsa]

Regardless of the outcome, I think the election is showing the limitations of the electoral college system. Expect to see movement towards a Constitutional Amendment before 2024.

That movement will almost certainly be greatly hampered by Trump's new nominee to the Supreme Court, even if he loses the election. If he wins it, and gets another 4 years to wreak further havoc on our democracy, it might be game over for any chance of achieving that. Based on what we have heard and observed of what Trump has said and done since he became president, I doubt he has any desire to preserve our democracy at all, let alone improve it. I have little doubt of his tyrannical ambitions, nor his desperation to escape the indictment and prosecution that for crimes New York prosecutors are investigating him for, that will almost certainly follow the end of his term, should he lose.

I don't think judges or justices matter on this issue. Changing the method of electing the president would require a constitutional amendment. The amendment process starts with either a 2/3 supermajority vote in both houses of Congress or requests by 2/3 of the state legislatures or state conventions for a constitutional convention. To use Congress, that would require those who want to dump the EC to control 2/3 of the Senate. That's going to require Senators from states that benefit from the EC to vote against the interests of their constituents.

We've never had a constitutional convention, so we don't know exactly how it would work. Could it be called on just this single issue? If so, would 2/3 of the state legislatures (or state conventions) agree to abolishing the EC?

And if the amendment is adopted, it then has to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures or conventions. What is the likelihood that the smaller states that would be needed to get to 3/4 would be willing to give up the advantage the EC gives them?

[_Meadowchik]

There's an army of voters who will crawl over broken glass to vote Trump out of office.

First, I want to thank you for every post you made today. I read them earlier in the day and they yanked me down off the ceiling. When you said "Remember who Trump is" that really brought me back to reality. I don't like the reality but I think you are correct. This isn't someone willing to actually go toe to toe or face to face. He is a chicken sh-it coward who pays people to do it for him.

With regard to crawling over broken glass. There are folks in my all mail-in state asking where the polling places are because in spite of the fact that our state is all mail-in voting, they want to show up to cast their vote in person to make damn sure it gets counted.

Thanks again for being the voice of reason and rational thought!

My parents are in Texas and are looking forward to voting in person to stop Trump. These are people who have voluntarily self-isolated since March, including not attending church as stalwart believers. They want to make sure their votes get counted.

[_Meadowchik]

I'm an overseas voter, and using the government website was very confusing and discouraging. However, I found a link for a voter assistance website and used it with ease. I received my official ballot from the local county clerk of my last American address, and I mailed it in the next day.

[_Gunnar]

That movement will almost certainly be greatly hampered by Trump's new nominee to the Supreme Court, even if he loses the election. If he wins it, and gets another 4 years to wreak further havoc on our democracy, it might be game over for any chance of achieving that. Based on what we have heard and observed of what Trump has said and done since he became president, I doubt he has any desire to preserve our democracy at all, let alone improve it. I have little doubt of his tyrannical ambitions, nor his desperation to escape the indictment and prosecution that for crimes New York prosecutors are investigating him for, that will almost certainly follow the end of his term, should he lose.

I don't think judges or justices matter on this issue. Changing the method of electing the president would require a constitutional amendment. The amendment process starts with either a 2/3 supermajority vote in both houses of Congress or requests by 2/3 of the state legislatures or state conventions for a constitutional convention. To use Congress, that would require those who want to dump the EC to control 2/3 of the Senate. That's going to require Senators from states that benefit from the EC to vote against the interests of their constituents.

We've never had a constitutional convention, so we don't know exactly how it would work. Could it be called on just this single issue? If so, would 2/3 of the state legislatures (or state conventions) agree to abolishing the EC?

And if the amendment is adopted, it then has to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures or conventions. What is the likelihood that the smaller states that would be needed to get to 3/4 would be willing to give up the advantage the EC gives them?

As is often the case, your arguments are unassailable. But if having a less conservative Supreme Court were somewhat reflected in or due to the general electorate itself becoming more progressive, it might just nudge the nation a bit closer to abolishing the Electoral College System, but, I realize, probably not in the lifetime of anyone posting on this forum.