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[ceeboo]

Without question - it absolutely is.


Again, it's not a myth - it is absolutely a thing. The suggested alignment with evil, while an interesting topic in my opinion, is a completely separate topic all together.

TDS has literally broken the minds of thousands and thousands of otherwise rational people.


Concern? Is that what you would call what has been happening? Concerned citizens?

Good lord! Talk about the understatement of the century.

Truth: Each side is deeply concerned about their preferred candidate not winning. All of us must choose between the only two options we have (unless you throw your vote away) - I understand that many on this board are deeply troubled by the thought of a Trump victory. I am as deeply troubled by the thought of a Harris victory. Given that, what, if anything, shall we do?

Ceeboo,

Do you believe Trump acts in the interests of the American people?

I do.

Harris?

[honorentheos]

Is it, though? Or is the myth of it being a thing prolific among folks who share thinking that sees progressive politics as an evil? So the concern towards Trump regaining office being easily dismissed if you make it a form of irrational thought?

It’s all projection and theater because, well, see OP.

For example, if one wanted to make the case Trump stole classified information and passed it to foreign governments you could walk a Trumper through the following:

• ⁠He first lied about having the documents.

• ⁠Then he lied about returning the documents.

• ⁠Then he bragged to his Mar-a-Lago guests he had secret documents that he knew he shouldn't have. Even shared classified intel with random guests who he wanted to impress.

• ⁠Then he had his staff move around the documents to hide them from investigators.

• ⁠Then he lied that he had returned all the documents while he still had more in other rooms.

• ⁠Then he had guests from saudi arabia, china and other countries over and told them where to go to find the documents where there was a copy machine in the same room.

• ⁠Then he kept lying to the FBI that he had no documents.

Lying to the FBI is bigly criminal, which is why his handpicked judge is doing everything in her power to stall, delay, and destroy the case. Because once that case starts he IS going to jail.

Their response?

TDS.

Absolute damned morons.

- Doc

Yeah

[honorentheos]

Ceeboo,

Do you believe Trump acts in the interests of the American people?

I do.

Harris?

Ok. Then all you and I can do is vote at this point. I hope you get to live the rest of your life with this disillusioned view as a second Trump term would likely make it unmistakable he acts in his own interests and markets the results as being in your interests.

[ceeboo]

I do.

Harris?

I hope you get to live the rest of your life with this disillusioned view as a second Trump term would likely make it unmistakable he acts in his own interests and markets the results as being in your interests.

I hope so too - Being that he has already served 4 years, I think I can be fairly certain how he would govern again. Especially given the only other option.

How about you? What do you see happening with a 4 year Harris term? Any chance you might be disappointed by how that might turn out? Any concerns?

[canpakes]

Ceeboo,

Do you believe Trump acts in the interests of the American people?

I don’t know if Ceeboo will go beyond simply saying ‘yes’ per MAGA programming, but I’m curious about how MAGA fans would define what those ‘best interests’ supposedly are.

It would appear to come down to MAGA’s desire for Trump to appease their intense dislike of immigration, but coupled with the complete disinterest in improving any part of that system aside from spending many billions on a symbolic wall that is cut through on the daily by immigrants with common power tools.

Likewise, an examination of the MAGA mindset with regard to their beliefs about the supposed evils of a Harris Administration would reveal a hyperbolic hysteria that matches or exceeds whatever they claim TDS to be.


ETA: that first paragraph ended up holding up just fine.

[ceeboo]

Likewise, an examination of the MAGA mindset

Searching news articles and polls for about 90 seconds, I found a few things that might speak to this mindset conversation.

In a shocking display of how vitriolic U.S. politics has become, more than a quarter of Democrats believe America would be better off if GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump had been killed during one of the two assassination attempts on his life, a new survey revealed Wednesday.

Just this week, Scott Rasmussen of RMG Research Inc. reported that a survey he conducted of 1,000 registered voters indicated that 28% of Democrats presently say America would be better off if former President Donald Trump were assassinated. And if that’s not shocking enough, another 24% answered the same survey question by saying they “weren’t sure!”

Yes, you read that right: 52% of Democrats (a MAJORITY!) just told you they can’t bring themselves to say that killing an opposing party’s presidential candidate is morally wrong.

[ceeboo]

It would appear to come down to MAGA’s desire for Trump to appease their intense dislike of immigration,

Because I don't find you to be interesting to engage, I very rarely reply to your juvenile trolling drive byes. I am making an exception this time.

When you, and those like you, constantly attempt to paint millions of individual American citizens in such an awful light, you are not being listened to by the great majority of fair-minded rational people. Your toxic attempted demonization is rejected, and I am confident that I speak for many millions.

Truth (In case anyone else reading cares) - The intentionally suggested "intense dislike of immigration" is a gigantic pile of pure rot. Rather, Illegal immigration - Millions and millions of people - unvetted - no idea who they are - literally pouring into this country is completely out of control and it is absolutely unmanageable. It is so utterly insane on many levels. It is crushing an already overtaxed system. It is completely draining resources, and these tremendous amounts of resources should not be going to people who have broken into to this country uninvited and are not even American citizens.

Who is paying for all of this need? Medical? Food? Housing?

Insanity!

[canpakes]

Likewise, an examination of the MAGA mindset

Searching news articles and polls for about 90 seconds, I found a few things that might speak to this mindset conversation.

In a shocking display of how vitriolic U.S. politics has become, more than a quarter of Democrats believe America would be better off if GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump had been killed during one of the two assassination attempts on his life, a new survey revealed Wednesday.

Just this week, Scott Rasmussen of RMG Research Inc. reported that a survey he conducted of 1,000 registered voters indicated that 28% of Democrats presently say America would be better off if former President Donald Trump were assassinated. And if that’s not shocking enough, another 24% answered the same survey question by saying they “weren’t sure!”

Yes, you read that right: 52% of Democrats (a MAJORITY!) just told you they can’t bring themselves to say that killing an opposing party’s presidential candidate is morally wrong.

Ceebs -

Rasmussen does not have a reputation for credibility or for using unbiased methodology. Here’s a fun example:

https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1799995560709267833

That aside, may I point out to you that the conclusion that you offer is completely different than what the ‘poll results’ claim? To sum up, someone thinking that the nation would be better off if Trump died has absolutely nothing to do with someone “(not being able to) bring themselves to say that killing an opposing party’s presidential candidate is morally wrong.”

As example: if you owed a work associate $1 million dollars and that associate was killed in a bar fight last night and that debt subsequently forgotten, then you’d arguably be better off from this unfortunate event, even as the killing was morally wrong.

I’m disappointed that you’d simply parrot this false equivalence without a second’s pause. It’s this kind of response that has many people not trusting the critical thinking skills of MAGA acolytes, and is itself a bit of a deranged accusation.

[Some Schmo]

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Some folks are finding ways to cope, although their methods are, at times, questionable.

Yes, just who everyone should admire: a man baby.

[Some Schmo]

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