Brace yourself, bcspace, for 4 more Obama years

[_Droopy]

Overall, Obama has been slightly to right of Richard Nixon and the notion that he is somehow a hardcore socialist or a coup for the progressive left is based in repetition of propaganda rather than reality. His closest presidential analogue is George W. Bush, and if you found yourself having extreme like or dislike for that president, then I can only wonder what sort of partisan rationalizations would allow you to have diametrically opposing feelings in the case of Obama.

Really, Delusion, do you actually think you can get away with this kind of in-your-face revision of contemporary reality? This might be a new, odd low, even for you. Obama is "to the right" of Nixon?

Barack Obama's entire core worldview and political ideology is grounded in Black Liberation Theology and Alinskyite evolutionary socialism. He is a transformational socialist with a profound dislike of this country, its tranditions and Constitution, which he has openly derided as far too limiting of centralized state power.

The present destruction of the U.S. economy, inititated by both Democrats and Republicans in the last third of the 20th and early years of the 21st century (and precipitated in the end by the government's continuing desire, led primarily by leftist Democrats, to provide home mortgages to those who could not affored them) is not a sign of incompetance or stupidity on the part of Obama, but is part and parcel of the Alinsky model of the destabalization, overwhelming, and collapsing of "the system."

I don't expect you to have done a speck of serious reading or study of the relevant history and political theory here, but reality stands on its own terms for those who care to think.

Nixon was a progressive and a liberal, there is no doubt, but Obama is a leftist radical with a desire to remake and transform the nation from a free market, democratic republic, to the degree those elements still remain as salient aspects of the social and economic order, into a fully socialistic European welfare state with deeply limited economic opportunity for individuals in the private sector, a vast, cradle-to-grave nanny state, and a skeleton crew military of severely restricted capabilities.

Obama has made it crystal clear, in many, many ways, that the United States is not only not an exceptional place, but if anything, the focus of most of the world's ills and problems, and needs to be completely overhauled as a society to make bring it into conformity with the wonderful "global community" that is so much farther advanced on the moral and intellectual scale.

What Obama see's for America is, essentially, a North American France.

[_krose]

What Obama see's for America is, essentially, a North American France.

Having spent time there and in other European countries, I can only wish that would be the case. Sadly, though, it's nothing more than a right-wing fantasy.

Right-wing-fantasy Obama bears virtually no resemblance to the flesh-and-blood centrist who inhabits the White House.

[_bcspace]

Right-wing-fantasy Obama bears virtually no resemblance to the flesh-and-blood centrist who inhabits the White House.

The nation is not ready for overt Marxism so he plays center left. He is no centrist (as if there were such a thing).

[_Buffalo]

Right-wing-fantasy Obama bears virtually no resemblance to the flesh-and-blood centrist who inhabits the White House.

The nation is not ready for overt Marxism so he plays center left. He is no centrist (as if there were such a thing).

Center right, if anything.

[_Droopy]

What Obama see's for America is, essentially, a North American France.

Having spent time there and in other European countries, I can only wish that would be the case. Sadly, though, it's nothing more than a right-wing fantasy.

Right-wing-fantasy Obama bears virtually no resemblance to the flesh-and-blood centrist who inhabits the White House.

Even better than having been (and lived) there, I also do extensive reading about such places, as far as politics and social trends, and hence have some degree of detailed knolwedge about them that just having spent time there doesn't provide (countless people have grown up in the United States and have no idea what its Constitution says, what's actually going on around them socially and economically, or how there own actions affect the general cultural environment, and don't care).

Secondly, Obama is a transformational socialist. He does not believe in rapid, confrontational revolution, but in incremental transition from a democratic Repubilc to a fully mature cradle-to-grave welfare state in which the state is utterly dominant in human affairs.

[_Droopy]

Center right, if anything.

If Obama and his administration are center to right, this would appear to put Buffalo to the Left of Obama, which would effectively put him in a little green Mao suit and a beret.

[_Brackite]

The State of California has the largest illegal immigration population, the most strict global warming law, and the most bloated government pensions. The bloated government pensions is a major and serious problem in California. California still has the 2nd largest unemployment rate within the Nation. As I mentioned at least a couple of times in this Thread, The Democratic Party has controlled both the State Assembly and the State Senate in California since 1996. Nearly all of the Democrats in the California State Legislature are Liberal and Progressive. There are Not any blue dog and moderate Democrats in the California State Legislature. The Democratic Governor of California Jerry Brown is now pushing for a proposition that will raise taxes on virtually everybody within the State of California.


Pension Tsunami:
http://pensiontsunami.com/

The oncoming wave of pension debt is even bigger than it seems. The purpose of this website is to provide an overview of the multiple pension crises that are about to drown America's taxpayers. Our primary focus is on California, but we also track other states, corporate pensions, social security and international trends. PensionTsunami.com is a project of the California Public Policy Center.

Times/USC Dornsife poll: California voters want public employees to help ease state's financial troubles:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/24 ... s-20110425

[_Buffalo]

Center right, if anything.

If Obama and his administration are center to right, this would appear to put Buffalo to the Left of Obama, which would effectively put him in a little green Mao suit and a beret.

Think globally, Colonel Flagg. He's definitely center right.

But I recognize that you're such an extremist right winger that even Ann Coulter must seem like a dirty hippie.

[_Droopy]

He's definitely center right.

Then it should be a simple matter to point out some specific policies and inititatives that would demonstrate the truth of such a claim.

[_EAllusion]

On some important civil liberties issues Glenn Greenwald puts it this way:

The candidate supported by progressives — President Obama — himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested. He has slaughtered civilians — Muslim children by the dozens — not once or twice, but continuously in numerous nations with drones, cluster bombs and other forms of attack. He has sought to overturn a global ban on cluster bombs. He has institutionalized the power of Presidents — in secret and with no checks — to target American citizens for assassination-by-CIA, far from any battlefield. He has waged an unprecedented war against whistleblowers, the protection of which was once a liberal shibboleth. He rendered permanently irrelevant the War Powers Resolution, a crown jewel in the list of post-Vietnam liberal accomplishments, and thus enshrined the power of Presidents to wage war even in the face of a Congressional vote against it. His obsession with secrecy is so extreme that it has become darkly laughable in its manifestations, and he even worked to amend the Freedom of Information Act (another crown jewel of liberal legislative successes) when compliance became inconvenient.


He has entrenched for a generation the once-reviled, once-radical Bush/Cheney Terrorism powers of indefinite detention, military commissions, and the state secret privilege as a weapon to immunize political leaders from the rule of law. He has shielded Bush era criminals from every last form of accountability. He has vigorously prosecuted the cruel and supremely racist War on Drugs, including those parts he vowed during the campaign to relinquish — a war which devastates minority communities and encages and converts into felons huge numbers of minority youth for no good reason. He has empowered thieving bankers through the Wall Street bailout, Fed secrecy, efforts to shield mortgage defrauders from prosecution, and the appointment of an endless roster of former Goldman, Sachs executives and lobbyists. He’s brought the nation to a full-on Cold War and a covert hot war with Iran, on the brink of far greater hostilities. He has made the U.S. as subservient as ever to the destructive agenda of the right-wing Israeli government. His support for some of the Arab world’s most repressive regimes is as strong as ever.

Most of all, America’s National Security State, its Surveillance State, and its posture of endless war is more robust than ever before. The nation suffers from what National Journal‘s Michael Hirsh just christened “Obama’s Romance with the CIA.” He has created what The Washington Post just dubbed“a vast drone/killing operation,” all behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy and without a shred of oversight. Obama’s steadfast devotion to what Dana Priest and William Arkin called “Top Secret America” has severe domestic repercussions as well, building up vast debt and deficits in the name of militarism that create the pretext for the “austerity” measures which the Washington class (including Obama) is plotting to impose on America’s middle and lower classes.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progres ... singleton/

Extensive links in the link. Obviously, as a liberal, he doesn't appear too happy.