Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinians

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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:
So, you agree with Darth J's earlier post.


No. Darth's argument commits a gross logical fallacy (in an effort to make a point that is too intellectually simplistic to be related to Romney's statement).

What I would argue is that economic success - general affluence, prosperity, technological advancement, high living standards, and overall economic health, are the effects of cultural attributes that encourage, support, and incentivize such a state of affairs.

These attributes are absent in Arab Muslim culture.


Oh, I get it now. You are too ignorant to realize that Qatar is an Arab Muslim country. That's the only way your posts make any sense.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:Muslim culture did contribute to the advancement of humanity - in medieval times - (as did the Celtic) but Islamic society has been on the skids for about 500 years, and in deep decline for the entire 20th century. The Muslim world, broadly speaking, was closely allied with the Nazis, and Nazi anti-Semitism, throughout WWII, and were then allied with the Soviets for the entirety of the Cold War.

This is a failed civilization. The West, however, under the crushing, decadent weight of "progressivism," is on its own trajectory of decline and fall.


I always get a kick out of stuff like this.

What Droopy is doing here is articulating a philosophy of history. Well, he isn’t really doing it, he is just parroting the same tropes that have been in circulation since the mid 18th century. People love to bemoan the coming doom of “Western culture” and pin its demise on their favorite pet topics.

In a sense, people become what Karl Popper called “historical prophets” and it is a great metaphor. Israel’s own prophetic tradition has a strong history of calling the nation to pay attention to the woes of the orphans and widows and get back into the spirit of true religion, the proper worship and behavior towards God. Droopy is doing the same, predicting the demise of our society and placing the blame on our collective inability to call evil what it really is, evil.

Of course, Popper’s targets were doing much more than predicting doom, they were attempting to explain history itself, and how civilizations rise and fall. Augustine innovated this for the “West” with his city of God, but a long line of brilliant thinkers have tried their hand, Vico, Comte, Hegel, Marx, Soloviev, Walter Benjamin even gave it a go in 1940...

In my opinion, no one has given even a moderately successful attempt, all have fallen short of being able to predict the ebb and flow of humanity with any given regularity that wasn’t some self fulfilling prophecy.

And yet low n behold, an angry bumpkin has unlocked the secret all these great thinkers had failed to grasp. It makes me sigh really, since technically Droops and I are birds of a feather. There is an art form to being a proper reactionary, but I think it has been lost to Americans since the rise of mass media where it is too easy to self select what tidbits are easily digestible to your political gut.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:
Qatar had the highest per captia GDP in the world in 2011. The United States was number 6 in the world. Therefore, Qatar's culture is superior to that of the United States.


The Medellin Cartel has a much higer income than my household. Therefore, the Medellin Cartel is culturally superior to the culture of my own household.

An excellent example, yet again, of why the Socratic method and the specific kinds of argument used in the courtroom are not the same thing as philosophical reasoning and cannot be, and should not be deployed outside the courtroom without severe modification.


Thanks for sharing your learned insights about the American legal system once again, Droopy.

Hey, would you do me a solid? Can you do another exegesis of a recent Supreme Court case, like you did with National Federation of Independent Businesses v. Sebelius? viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24572&start=42

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

Also an excellent example of why, in most cases, lawyers should not become politicians.


That's right, because lawyers are dealing with law, not politics. You are not only incapable of understanding the difference, you don't understand that there is a difference.

How many lawyers were on the constitutional convention, by the way? I forgot.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Droopy wrote:
No. Darth's argument commits a gross logical fallacy (in an effort to make a point that is too intellectually simplistic to be related to Romney's statement).


No, Romney's statement is exactly the gross logical fallacy that I am pointing out.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Especially for Mitt, bcspace and Droopy:

Forbes Magazine published an article recently on the richest 15 countries in the world and the surprise was that on top of this list is the Arab state of Qatar

Qatar topped a list that classifies countries on the basis of per capita gross domestic product, where the annual per capita income in it exceeds 88 Thousand Dollars, according to figures from the International Monetary Fund the world of 2010. Thanks to enormous economic revenues of oil and gas reserves, in comparison with the relatively low population (1.7 million inhabitants), as well as the diversity of investments carried out by the Qatari government from owning stakes in global financial institutions, universities and multinational companies, through the organization of major world events as the 2022 FIFA World Cup.


The US ranked 7th on this list behind the degenerate slave / serf culture of Qatar, as well as behind such socialistic European cultures as the Netherlands and Switzerland and the Chinese culture of Hong Kong.

Hopefully BC and Droopy have the good sense to stay in the US for the remainder of the 2012 Presidential campaign. Not sure that US credibility in the world can withstand more than one culturally and diplomatically tone deaf Mormon overseas at a time.
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DrW wrote:The US ranked 7th on this list behind the degenerate slave / serf culture of Qatar, as well as behind such socialistic European cultures as the Netherlands and Switzerland and the Chinese culture of Hong Kong.

Hopefully BC and Droopy have the good sense to stay in the US for the remainder of the 2012 Presidential campaign. Not sure that US credibility in the world can withstand more than one culturally and diplomatically tone deaf Mormon overseas at a time.



I am hoping that bcspace, Droopy, and their likeminded friends all leave and are replaced by smart Muslims.

Then we can go up in the rankings again.
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Kishkumen wrote:
DrW wrote:The US ranked 7th on this list behind the degenerate slave / serf culture of Qatar, as well as behind such socialistic European cultures as the Netherlands and Switzerland and the Chinese culture of Hong Kong.

Hopefully BC and Droopy have the good sense to stay in the US for the remainder of the 2012 Presidential campaign. Not sure that US credibility in the world can withstand more than one culturally and diplomatically tone deaf Mormon overseas at a time.



I am hoping that bcspace, Droopy, and their likeminded friends all leave and are replaced by smart Muslims.

Then we can go up in the rankings again.

If they do decide to leave the US, they could do a lot worse than Qatar (or even Oman) for religiously conservative, yet tolerant places to live. Here they could practice polygamy without sanction, believe in all the fairy tales they want without having rational folks around to point out the silliness of their unfounded belief, and generally live the Mormon dream.
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Is a society that is more efficient culturally superior?

I would say I prefer the esthetics of the bushido samurai era of Japan to modern America. And yet one has passed and one hasn't. One scaled better in the scale of economies, but does that make it superior? What is the criteria and who sets it? What if I disagree with the criteria?
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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Kishkumen wrote:
Cicero wrote:Paging Dr. Peterson or those that lurk here on his behalf:

Would you please ask Daniel to come and reply to the breathtaking ignorance displayed by bcspace's last post? He'll never listen to me, but he might listen to DCP.



Yeah, don't hold your breath. DCP never corrects people on his own team publicly, no matter how revolting their behavior.


Not to mention that bcspace (and droopy) won't post this kind of stuff over on the MAD board.
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Re: Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinia

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SteelHead wrote:Is a society that is more efficient culturally superior?

I would say I prefer the esthetics of the bushido samurai era of Japan to modern America. And yet one has passed and one hasn't. One scaled better in the scale of economies, but does that make it superior? What is the criteria and who sets it?


Mitt Romney, apparently.

What if I disagree with the criteria?


Then you're out of luck, because the White Horse Prophecy means he is going to be the President.
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