Black Racist CBS Contributor Flaunts Her Protected Status

[_Droopy]

Offending for a word and then utterly refusing clarification and approaching all such attempts in a spirit of guile, ill-will, presumptuous mind-reading, and assuming the worst of motives is the hallmark and forté of the Left, as it is for anti-Mormons. Reason? Its all they have.

Birds of a feather yet again.

[_beastie]

I know this is a complete and utter waste of time, but, oh well.

Bennett:

So today, although I cannot apologize for what I said and meant, which when understood in context ought not be objectionable, I regret that people have misrepresented my views so that they have been the cause of hurt, controversy, and confusion. What was presented in some of the media as my opinion would shock me as well; so I cannot blame many people for being mad as hell at what they heard. But such characterizations of my statements and views are not a fair, accurate, or true picture of either what I believe or what I said. In my conversation, I was raising an abhorrent hypothetical—and said so—an idea contrary to everything I believe, and contrary to the record of my life, my work and my writings, including 17 books. Could I have said it better? Maybe. But my position, one of moral condemnation, could not have been clearer. “Morally reprehensible” are the words I used immediately, in the same breath and thought as this ugly hypothetical. What do my critics not understand about the meaning of the words “morally reprehensible”? Do they think it means approval?

He condemned the idea of using abortion to achieve the goal of crime reduction.

He did not say anything that would lead one to believe he did not believe that crime rate would go down.

You say he associates this with culture, not race, and yet he chose race to illustrate his point.

Offending for a word and then utterly refusing clarification and approaching all such attempts in a spirit of guile, ill-will, presumptuous mind-reading, and assuming the worst of motives is the hallmark and forté of the Left, as it is for anti-Mormons. Reason? Its all they have.

The author of this thread actually said this? LOL

[_Droopy]

As you've dodged the vast majority of arguments and points I've made regarding my defense of Bennett, and prefer to continue your usual psycho-circus of attempting to read the mind of Mr. Bennett rather than intellectually inspect his own words and his own extensive clarification of them from his own mouth, further conversation with you, as has long been the tradition, is probably fruitless.

However, I want to ask you again about another point I made which you simply ignored, which is this: assuming that Bennett did mean to imply that if black babies were aborted at a high rate, it would then follow that, at some future point, crime rates would shrink, and given the longstanding and well known empirical facts I posted regarding massive disproportions in crime rates among blacks relative to other groups, would you agree or disagree with Bennett and why?

[_beastie]

As you've dodged the vast majority of arguments and points I've made regarding my defense of Bennett, and prefer to continue your usual psycho-circus of attempting to read the mind of Mr. Bennett rather than intellectually inspect his own words and his own extensive clarification of them from his own mouth, further conversation with you, as has long been the tradition, is probably fruitless.

However, I want to ask you again about another point I made which you simply ignored, which is this: assuming that Bennett did mean to imply that if black babies were aborted at a high rate, it would then follow that, at some future point, crime rates would shrink, and given the longstanding and well known empirical facts I posted regarding massive disproportions in crime rates among blacks relative to other groups, would you agree or disagree with Bennett and why?

Ha. I knew all along you probably agreed with his basic argument.

No, crime rates would not drop if you were to abort all black babies. Crime isn't associated with race: it's associated with poverty (well, certain types of crimes, other crimes, as we know, are preferred by the white collars).

So if we abort all the babies of poor people, would crime rates drop, droopy?

[_Droopy]

Ha. I knew all along you probably agreed with his basic argument.

You knew I probably agreed? Pile one circular argument upon another, Beastie (Bennett never actually made that argument at all. That was the crux of his clarification and explanation. But you have your own agenda, and it will not, as usual, give way to logic or evidence) until you're to dizzy to type.

No, crime rates would not drop if you were to abort all black babies. Crime isn't associated with race: it's associated with poverty

This is a long discredited ideological shibboleth, not an established sociological fact, and cannot stand up to empirical scrutiny.

Crime didn't become closely associated with poverty until the last third of the 20th century, and only when a very different set of cultural assumptions, beliefs, and attitudes became diffused throughout the entire culture and concentrated initially, primarily through the incentives and psychology generated and supported by the welfare state, among lower income groups. Those same values and attitudes have now moved sharply from lower socioeconomic strata and from the welfare underclass into the middle classes, and especially among middle class youth, and they explain much of the social pathology (including gigantic out-of-wedlock birth rates, shoplifting, drug use, endemic cheating in school etc.) seen among them as, to a disproportionate degree, among the poor.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/thomas- ... -2012.html

This is a very important essay which should be read carefully and thoroughly:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/artic ... nologists/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 09870.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 35590.html

Poverty does not cause crime, Beastie. Crime is "caused" by the abandonment of certain core principles, values, standards, and internal controls that make civilization and civil relations between individuals possible. Indeed, it is much more likely that a number of the same attitudes, behaviors, and value sets that generate criminal behavior are the same sets of values and cultural attributes that entrench and perpetuate long-term poverty. Crime, as well, is directly causal of poverty, in a number of key ways.

Enter leftist ideology and policy, and watch crime spiral out of control, as it did from the mid-sixties through the end of the seventies.

[_beastie]

I didn't say poverty "caused" crime. And you have to know I can cite studies that support my contention.

And yes, you agree with the portion of Bennett's statement that was not hypothetical and for which he never expressed condemnation: that the crime rate would go down. Of course he wasn't arguing for abortion. But he was using what he viewed as a "fact" to create his hypothetical argument. And that is the part you clearly accept.

So tell me, do you agree that aborting all black babies would reduce crime?

[_beastie]

Here's my summary of what I understand droopy's position to be, a position which he also attributes to Bill Bennett.

It is not the color of one's skin that causes crime to be associated with African-Americans. It is the black culture which results in an increase in crime and other anti-social behavior.

Is that correct, droopy?

[_Droopy]

I didn't say poverty "caused" crime. And you have to know I can cite studies that support my contention.

You said "Crime isn't associated with race: it's associated with poverty." So are you saying there is only a correlation (with which Thomas Sowell would agree), or are you implying a causal connection of some kind?

I can cite studies (and books) to support mine as well. Battle of the studies, battle of the charts, battle of the graphs, battle of the trend lines. DAGW is grounded in this kind of thing. Wonderful game.

And yes, you agree with the portion of Bennett's statement that was not hypothetical and for which he never expressed condemnation: that the crime rate would go down. Of course he wasn't arguing for abortion. But he was using what he viewed as a "fact" to create his hypothetical argument. And that is the part you clearly accept.

You know, you've done exactly the same thing to me, personally, and Will Schryver, and others, that you are doing to Bill Bennett. Bennett never argued that if all black babies were aborted, crime would go down, he used that hypothetical argument as a hypothetical example of a hypothetical poor argument against abortion. The entire thing was a reductio ad absurdum example, not an empirical assertion.

Where is the mental blockage here, Beastie?

So tell me, do you agree that aborting all black babies would reduce crime?

Again, you tell me. I gave you the easily obtainable and long known FBI crime stats on the massive disproportionality in black criminality relative to their representation in the general population.

You answer the question yourself.

Answer me this: would aborting all Asian and Southeast Asian babies decrease the number of science and engineering graduates in American universities (45% of all science and engineering degrees go to this relatively tiny minority)?

[_Droopy]

Here's my summary of what I understand droopy's position to be, a position which he also attributes to Bill Bennett.

It is not the color of one's skin that causes crime to be associated with African-Americans. It is the black culture which results in an increase in crime and other anti-social behavior.

Is that correct, droopy?

NO! The reason is, or should be, disarmingly simple. There is no such thing as a "black culture." American blacks are not a monolithic lumpen mass sharing similar beliefs, mores, assumptions, and perspectives across the entire black population. That is the creation of the white cultural Left, the black power movement, and multiculturalist ideology. There is, however, a certain culture that exists among a critical minority of blacks - the welfare "underclass" - that is steeped in, nurtures, and maintains the attitudes, values, and matrix of beliefs that perpetuate and spread the psychology and broad worldview that generates those disproportionate social pathologies.

Those beliefs, values, mindsets, and psychological dynamics have seeped into the black middle class over time as well (in the guise of "Hip Hop" and stylized "thug" fashions, hair styles, speech and mannerisms) that have been producing similar changes in attitude and perception among blacks in much higher socioeconomic circumstances.

Its not "black culture" but a culture among American blacks that has become deeply entrenched in the lower socioeconomic strata and which has diffused through the media out of the inner city streets and the maximum security prison culture and into mainstream black and white pop culture. That culture has also been lionized, romanticized, excused, apologized for, and defended on ideological grounds by the Left to the point that many within the culture have lost the ability to point out barbarism when they observe it and call it by its legitimate name.

"Political correctness" and the self-censorship and timid silence in the face of serious social and moral questions it generates have been as complicit in the destruction of the black inner city family and the creation of a culture of fatherlessness, single motherhood, lone, predatory males unconnected to family responsibility or the civilizing influence of mature, committed male-female love, and the concomitant culture of drug and alcohol use, violence, tribalism (street gangs), honor (street cred), machismo posturing, and sexual adventurism as the welfare state itself.

Welcome to the Great Society.

[_beastie]

So is there a white subculture that is equally problematic?