To those who believe 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee...

[_beastie]

Anyone else think it's possible that ldsfaq is not allowed to own a gun for some reason?

[_Darth J]

Law Enforcement often confronts people with bombs or bomb making materials, thus any good cop that want's to be the best, will learn and be familiar with how they work, how they are made, etc.

A doctor also learns how drugs function, work, etc., the difference is that unlike law enforcement, they don't have to know how to physically make them because unlike with a bomb, they don't have to know how to disarm them, know their blast radius, etc. etc.

Tell me people..... Are you "experts" in how to use a "gun" if you've never fired one?
No you are not, so why do you think someone would be an expert with a bomb if they've never learned how they work, built one, and blew them up? They wouldn't.

Given this unassailable logic, ldsfaqs, what advice would you give a prospective law enforcement officer who aspires to work for Utah's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force?

[_ldsfaqs]

Law Enforcement often confronts people with bombs or bomb making materials, thus any good cop that want's to be the best, will learn and be familiar with how they work, how they are made, etc.

A doctor also learns how drugs function, work, etc., the difference is that unlike law enforcement, they don't have to know how to physically make them because unlike with a bomb, they don't have to know how to disarm them, know their blast radius, etc. etc.

Tell me people..... Are you "experts" in how to use a "gun" if you've never fired one?
No you are not, so why do you think someone would be an expert with a bomb if they've never learned how they work, built one, and blew them up? They wouldn't.

Given this unassailable logic, ldsfaqs, what advice would you give a prospective law enforcement officer who aspires to work for Utah's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force?

Same argument I gave in answer to the other stupid question.....

Such a law officer would be trained in research, methodology's, etc.
One doesn't actually have to "look" at child porn or "touch" children in order to become experts in cyber crime. The looking at said pictures is a quickly learned skill when entering the job.

In contrast, knowing how to "touch" a bomb, have hands on experience with a bomb is ESSENTIAL to dealing with it.

Further, there is another problem with your argument. Building a bomb is not "immoral", evil, against the law etc., however looking at child porn, touching children etc. IS.

You people really don't know how to think beyond the obvious, attacking your pitiful little strawmen as if you won the argument showing my fallacy. You are again debunked.

[_ldsfaqs]

Anyone else think it's possible that ldsfaq is not allowed to own a gun for some reason?

And you all would be wrong, as you are wrong in almost everything else.
Your "fantasy" judgments of Mormons STILL does not translate into fact, truth, and reality, no matter the subject or person.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

Anyone else think it's possible that ldsfaq is not allowed to own a gun for some reason?

I wouldn't say I think so, but I hope so.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

Hey fool yourself.... what in the world makes you think it "doesn't"?
Do you even have ANY idea how many Country's and Cities have implemented "gun control" and it ended up either 100% or near TOTAL "elimination of gun ownership"?



Further, it's not "gun control" either, it's gun elimination. You are "eliminating" our choices, eliminating and DICTATING our right to self defense of ourselves, family and community according to what WE in our FREE AGENCY believe we need for ANY SITUATION.

Further, your devil buddies in politics most certainly want to eliminate guns, wake up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DKuN2ey80

Nearly every single liberal in public who "claims" that they aren't going to or trying to take away our guns have been caught making that very claim and desire.

When are YOU going to stand up for Freedom against Tyranny and the Liberal Elites who will be the ONLY ONES with the power and money when they destroy our rights, our freedoms, and our economy?

CFR.

Where has there been an elimination of gun ownership in this country? No city or county is without guns.

Youtube videos lacking context don't count, by the way.

[Tator]

And you all would be wrong, as you are wrong in almost everything else.
Your "fantasy" judgments of Mormons STILL does not translate into fact, truth, and reality, no matter the subject or person.

Yeah, I figured that was just wishful thinking. The way our current system works, no doubt if you had the money you'd be stockpiling weapons beside your homemade bombs. Fortunately for your neighbors, you don't have that kind of money.

by the way, my wishing you were forbidden to have guns has nothing to do with being a Mormon, as any person with the IQ of a squirrel would realize.

[_beastie]

Same argument I gave in answer to the other stupid question.....

Such a law officer would be trained in research, methodology's, etc.
One doesn't actually have to "look" at child porn or "touch" children in order to become experts in cyber crime. The looking at said pictures is a quickly learned skill when entering the job.

In contrast, knowing how to "touch" a bomb, have hands on experience with a bomb is ESSENTIAL to dealing with it.

Further, there is another problem with your argument. Building a bomb is not "immoral", evil, against the law etc., however looking at child porn, touching children etc. IS.

You people really don't know how to think beyond the obvious, attacking your pitiful little strawmen as if you won the argument showing my fallacy. You are again debunked.

Anyone else disburbed by the fact that ldsfaq felt it necessary to use scare quotes around "look" and "touch"?

Maybe he means it's ok to "look" and "touch" with his "spiritual eyes."

[_beastie]

Building a bomb is not "immoral", evil, against the law etc., however looking at child porn, touching children etc. IS.

You people really don't know how to think beyond the obvious, attacking your pitiful little strawmen as if you won the argument showing my fallacy. You are again debunked.

I seriously doubt you obtained the legal permits required to legally make bombs. I can't believe our system is THAT flawed.

(a) An application for a user permit or limited permit or a license to import, manufacture, or deal in explosive materials shall be in such form and contain such information as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe, including the names of and appropriate identifying information regarding all
employees who will be authorized by the applicant to possess explosive materials, as well as fingerprints and a photograph of each responsible person. Each applicant for a license or permit shall pay a fee to be charged as set by the Attorney General, said fee not to exceed $50 for a limited permit and $200 for any other license or permit. Each license or user permit shall be valid for not longer than 3 years from the date of issuance and each limited
permit shall be valid for not longer than 1 year from the date of issuance. Each license or permit shall be renewable upon the same conditions and subject to the same restrictions as the original license or permit, and upon payment of a renewal fee not to exceed one-half of the original fee.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/downloa ... 5400-7.pdf

[_Darth J]

Given this unassailable logic, ldsfaqs, what advice would you give a prospective law enforcement officer who aspires to work for Utah's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force?

Same argument I gave in answer to the other stupid question.....

Such a law officer would be trained in research, methodology's, etc.

No, we're talking about a person who is considering going into law enforcement, not an actual police officer. Since you should be self-taught in making bombs to be an effective candidate for law enforcement, why doesn't that follow with sexual exploitation of children? What is it about bombs that is different from every other illegal activity, such that civilians should become autodidacts in criminal activity in the hopes that one day they might become law enforcement officers?

One doesn't actually have to "look" at child porn or "touch" children in order to become experts in cyber crime.

You also don't have to know how to make a bomb to know how to diffuse one. Not any more than you have to learn CPR to kill someone.

The looking at said pictures is a quickly learned skill when entering the job.

Looking at child pornography is a "skill"?

In contrast, knowing how to "touch" a bomb, have hands on experience with a bomb is ESSENTIAL to dealing with it.

So, ldsfaqs, is it your understanding that police officers, prosecutors, and so on who investigate and prosecute the sexual exploitation of children just sit around and look at child pornography? You don't think maybe they investigate the production and distribution of child pornography, too?

Further, there is another problem with your argument. Building a bomb is not "immoral", evil, against the law etc., however looking at child porn, touching children etc. IS.

Law enforcement does not deal with immorality or evil. Law enforcement deals with crime. There are many things that are illegal that many people do not consider to be immoral or evil. There are many things that are lawful that many people consider to be immoral or evil.

And yes, ldsfaqs, unlicensed building of bombs is against the law.

You people really don't know how to think beyond the obvious, attacking your pitiful little strawmen as if you won the argument showing my fallacy. You are again debunked.

Ldsfaqs, don't police often have to get search warrants to wiretap a person's phone, or search a person's house, and things like that? Do you feel that someone who is thinking about going into law enforcement should take it upon himself to practice these things, because it would make him a better candidate for the job?