All Net Jobs Growth Has Gone To Illegal and Legal Immigrants

[_ajax18]

How about an 18 year old male who goes from high school to university and does not own any property or paid any income taxes yet? Should this citizen not be allowed to vote?

No he should not in my opinion.

How about we change it to a female who doesn't have to worry about being drafted?

Sounds like a right without a responsibility to me.

How about a male and female out of HS but are working at McDonald's?

Nope, not if they're not paying income tax.

Or maybe a male out of HS who goes to work for his rich daddies company and is given a house so is also a property owner and pays property taxes. Should any of these citizens not be allowed to vote?

I was proposing that paying income taxes should be the prerequisite to vote, not property taxes.

[_Quasimodo]

I was proposing that paying income taxes should be the prerequisite to vote, not property taxes.

What's the difference? How about everyone that has to pay sales tax? Excise tax? What about corporations and private companies that pay taxes? Do they get one vote or a vote for each employee?

What about the people that pay no income tax due to investment credits and depreciation deductions? What about people on low incomes with enough children to avoid income tax?

Your premise is unworkable.

[_ajax18]

Your premise is unworkable.

People will always vote for more spending if they don't have to pay taxes.

Rich men will always start wars if only poor men have to fight them.

[_Themis]

Sounds like a right without a responsibility to me.

I was not aware we should only give out rights if you have paid enough funds.

Nope, not if they're not paying income tax.

So a family man who doesn't make enough to pay income tax because of the costs of raising a family should not be able to vote, but a single women who make less but has to pay income tax due to less tax write offs gets to.

I was proposing that paying income taxes should be the prerequisite to vote, not property taxes.

Ah the elitism of your economic status. Maybe they should also give those who pay more more voting power. How many votes would someone like Romney get? You should check out China. I think you would like their system. They also get to vote, but you have to earn that right. Your idea is extreme, elitist and dangerous. Fortunately the vast majority do not agree with you.

[_Quasimodo]

Your premise is unworkable.

People will always vote for more spending if they don't have to pay taxes.

Rich men will always start wars if only poor men have to fight them.

You're not answering the questions.

Generally, people (whether they pay taxes or not) vote for what they think is in their best interests. Infrastructure (roads, bridges, airports, etc.), health care, national defence, education, public services (police and firefighters), food safety, water sanitation, etc.

From what I've heard, the all volunteer military has been a resounding success. The rich people that were starting wars are no longer in office. The soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors are there because they want to be there. Draftees that are pulled from their lives by law are usually not happy soldiers.

[_ajax18]

Virtually all of them were under educated, low skilled, too lazy to work to pay for school, so they decided to mooch off the government so they could get free housing, free food, free healthcare, free travel and free education.

Unbelievable. Does your father agree with your assessment of military life and those that choose it as a profession?

Oh the irony, that this is the class of people the Republicans so adore. And here comes ajax taking it to another level, saying only these people are true citizens and not immigrants.

Three of my Dad's closest friends told me they joined the military because the judge gave them that choice over going to jail back in the 50's.

Are they not now better men because of it? Maybe more judges should do that nowadays.

[_ajax18]

I was not aware we should only give out rights if you have paid enough funds.

Rights should be connected to responsibilities. Unfortunately the vast majority do not agree with me.

[_Quasimodo]

I was not aware we should only give out rights if you have paid enough funds.

Rights should be connected to responsibilities. Unfortunately the vast majority do not agree with me.

That should tell you something. Maybe your definition of responsibilities is a little off. Maybe you are wrong.

[_ajax18]

Yeah well, maybe on some things. But just because you don't have Native American ancestry, doesn't mean you're an immigrant to the USA. The entire connotation seems to confuse the idea of on what piece of land people choose to squat with a persons legal status in a sovereign country, whether on a tourist visa, permanent resident, green card holder or citizen. And not everyone in the world has the right to be a US citizen, nor does a minority of US citizens have the right to give away citizenship against the will of the majority, especially through unconstitutional means.

And as the original post points out, immigration, especially illegal immigration is hurting not helping the unemployment/underemployment situation for native born Americans in this country.

[_Quasimodo]

Yeah well, maybe on some things. But just because you don't have Native American ancestry, doesn't mean you're an immigrant to the USA.

I was just pointing out how unkind your definition of immigrant was. You were stating that anyone whose ancestors did not fight in the Revolutionary War were mere immigrants. I think you may have backed off from that position.

The entire connotation seems to confuse the idea of on what piece of land people choose to squat with a persons legal status in a sovereign country, whether on a tourist visa, permanent resident, green card holder or citizen. And not everyone in the world has the right to be a US citizen, nor does a minority of US citizens have the right to give away citizenship against the will of the majority, especially through unconstitutional means.

This is kind of a confusing paragraph. No one outside the US has a right to be a US citizen. People outside the US can apply for immigration to the US, but it is very difficult to obtain. Most do not.

Once here, they can then apply for citizenship. No one (whether in a minority or a majority) has any influence on who is given citizenship. It's a matter of Rule of Law. You should look that up. It's the way our government works (thank God).

And as the original post points out, immigration, especially illegal immigration is hurting not helping the unemployment/underemployment situation for native born Americans in this country.

I'm a medical Illustrator (I think you know that) I have never had an illegal alien take my job away from me. If I picked strawberries for a few bucks an hour, it might be different.