94,044,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force

[_honorentheos]

Rather than think of it like your household budget, why not approach it like you would your business? You've already mentioned how your business was built using loans to make it possible. You have different income/expenditure requirements for your business than your household. And if you considered the problem of having a business that is growing continually in terms of employees, customers, and depreciating physical capital along with increasing competition who are investing in more modern capital outlays...maybe we could get somewhere.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ajax,

I didn't watch this because you didn't offer any contextual summary.

Can you explain why running a surplus would be good for the dollar and for the global economy?

- Doc

[_just me]

I believe that every able man should work. If you don't agree, then there's nothing I can really say to defend that. It's just a difference in what we believe to be right and wrong.

I have a question for you. I hope you will answer, but not holding my breath.

Every year a lot of people (more women than men) leave the workforce to care for aging parents. Some of them use Family Leave, but many do not. They do not get paid for this work. They are no longer part of the workforce. The work they do, the service they give, is not calculated in the GDP.

Now, another option is for these adult children to put their aging parents in a facility at great cost to either themselves/parent/estate and/or the government. The adult child stays in the workforce, the family creates jobs. The government foots some or all of the bill.

Which scenario do you like best? Which do you feel is moral?

I have more to say, but I really would like this answered.

[_just me]

ajax

My dad is retired. He is not drawing any Social Security. Yet.

Is that right or wrong?

When he reaches 72 years of age he will start to draw on his SS benefit. Is that right or wrong?

[_ajax18]

My point is that there are currently only 3 people pulling the wagon for each person riding in the wagon. Judging by the size of our debt the wagon has been rolling backward for some time. How many people can we afford to let ride in the wagon for each person working? One rider for three pullers isn't working. Is 2 riders for every 3 pullers going to work better? Tell me how many it's going to take to get the wagon moving forward again and I'll consider answering your questions.

[_just me]

My point is that there are currently only 3 people pulling the wagon for each person riding in the wagon. Judging by the size of our debt the wagon has been rolling backward for some time. How many people can we afford to let ride in the wagon for each person working? One rider for three pullers isn't working. Is 2 riders for every 3 pullers going to work better? Tell me how many it's going to take to get the wagon moving forward again and I'll consider answering your questions.

Maybe your wife should go back to work. Doesn't it bother you that she is one of the riders?

The size of our debt will not change enough simply by getting rid of Social Security or sending SAHM into the workforce.

[_Themis]

My point is that there are currently only 3 people pulling the wagon for each person riding in the wagon. Judging by the size of our debt the wagon has been rolling backward for some time. How many people can we afford to let ride in the wagon for each person working? One rider for three pullers isn't working. Is 2 riders for every 3 pullers going to work better? Tell me how many it's going to take to get the wagon moving forward again and I'll consider answering your questions.

I may not be an expert, but your post shows you have some major ignorance of how the economy works. You cannot get these people working unless there are jobs available. The other problem is much of the wealth and economic output is not being done by humans, and this is only going to increase.

[_just me]

Does posting a silly video that might appeal to those who have the same biases you do mean you've given up trying to defend your beliefs?

I never expected to change the minds of people on this board much. It seems like most of them are content to just let the debt grow and grow. I don't think the government will ever pay it off. We'll always be in debt as a nation.

I believe that every able man should work. If you don't agree, then there's nothing I can really say to defend that. It's just a difference in what we believe to be right and wrong.

It's so odd that you say you don't expect to change the minds of people on this board, but you haven't even given us a clear idea of what YOUR ideas are! Give us your solutions and we will discuss them and maybe you can sway people.

All you do is bitch and moan and ask questions. You answer every question directed at you with another question or a non-answer. It's totally ridiculous.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

He can't even summarize the video he posted. He can't articulate why, in his opinion, carrying a government surplus would be good for the dollar and global economy. I've yet to see him offer any concrete solutions to creating, keeping, or bettering the jobs here in the US in order to entice American businesses to employ Americans rather than farm work out to immigrants and foreigners.

- Doc

[_canpakes]

Tell me how many it's going to take to get the wagon moving forward again and I'll consider answering your questions.

Tell me what 'the wagon' is by your definition, and how it's present position is affected by the labor participation rate, first. Be explicit.

If you did that, it might demonstrate that you have some concept of what connects here vs. what does not.