Migrant Caravan Tears Down Border Fence, Storms Mexico

[_canpakes]

If only that grit and determination were applied to the community which they abandoned....the argument is that they are quitters.

I love that Subs inadvertently acknowledged our historical immigrants (to include his own family at some point) were quitters. Lolol.

- Doc

Quite recently, for his own.

[_subgenius]

If only that grit and determination were applied to the community which they abandoned....the argument is that they are quitters.

I love that Subs inadvertently acknowledged our historical immigrants (to include his own family at some point) were quitters. Lolol.

- Doc

Wasn't inadvertent, and am I not accurate?...though arguably, our "historical immigrants" persevered for a bit first before throwing in the towel.

But how did that immigration policy work out for Elizabeth Warren's ancestors?...are you going to bring some corn to the Honduran table this November?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Wasn't inadvertent, and am I not accurate?...though arguably, our "historical immigrants" persevered for a bit first before throwing in the towel.

But how did that immigration policy work out for Elizabeth Warren's ancestors?...are you going to bring some corn to the Honduran table this November?

I'm not sure how to address what you posted above. I know when men are compelled to travel huge distances to a new land to begin a new life, they're usually in such a horrific situation they're willing to risk everything, their own lives even, to have opportunity that just doesn't exist where they live. I like those kinds of men. They're the kinds of men that built the world in which we exist today. Love 'em.

- Doc

[_subgenius]

Wasn't inadvertent, and am I not accurate?...though arguably, our "historical immigrants" persevered for a bit first before throwing in the towel.

But how did that immigration policy work out for Elizabeth Warren's ancestors?...are you going to bring some corn to the Honduran table this November?

I'm not sure how to address what you posted above.- Doc

Understandable. I guess i was responding to your implication of irony/hypocrisy about my post where I called the caravan-eers quitters. While the inclination to draw a parallel with early American settlers and immigrants is tempting, it is not appropriate. The people coming from Honduras are nowhere similar in purpose or circumstance.

I know when men are compelled to travel huge distances to a new land to begin a new life, they're usually in such a horrific situation they're willing to risk everything, their own lives even, to have opportunity that just doesn't exist where they live.

I am not sure how you know that, but the sentiment is certainly admirable and one I support. But risking one's life is not necessarily entitlement for success and not justification for admiration....on the field of battle two opposing soldiers may well be risking everything, but only one will be viewed as noble and as a hero.
But yes, the members of the caravan are risking varying degrees of everything...and likely for various reasons...I think border security inherently has a concern with the latter. Just simply surviving a ride across the Atlantic in the Santa Maria or the Mayflower does not entitle you to the property, does it?

I like those kinds of men. They're the kinds of men that built the world in which we exist today. Love 'em.

I would agree with you to a degree, so f**k Honduras....let us make America better.

[_Water Dog]

Well, let's keep things real. This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA. The American left does not care about these people. The lefties on this forum do not care about these people. This is not about human community, it's about political power. That's all it's about.

For those being used as pawns, it's also not about asylum or fleeing violence or anything like that. It's about economics. It's about jobs. It's about taking the easy road. No, they aren't walking in flip flops. They are riding in trucks. They are being handed meals. This ain't the Willie Handcart Company. And when I say the easy road, what I mean by that is that these people are focused on themselves, they are focused on the short-term. Because the truly hard road with a long-term outlook would be to stay where they are and cleanup the problems in their own neighborhood.

The irony is these people are just looking for jobs. Jobs that don't exist in their country because the economies have been recked by leftists despite the abundance of natural resources. And if the American left got their way, we wouldn't have any jobs to offer them anyway. I agree with Doc that people are all basically good and mostly the same. I appreciate the sentimentality. And I also recognize that there is a reason central America is failing. There is a reason Merkel is getting taken out to the political woodshed right now.

[_Chap]

... when men are compelled to travel huge distances to a new land to begin a new life, they're usually in such a horrific situation they're willing to risk everything, their own lives even, to have opportunity that just doesn't exist where they live.

Unfortunately, historically speaking they have also often been willing to take away the lives of the people they find already in place when they arrive. That was sometimes easier for them because the people they found were classified as 'heathen', and therefore devoid of rights, or maybe not even people at all.

I like those kinds of men.

I don't think history calls for us to like or dislike people who lived under circumstances and assumptions that are hugely outside our experience. Their world was so very different from ours that we are easily tempted to think of them as like ourselves, but just wearing different clothes. That can be a very misleading assumption.

[_Chap]

This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA.

Could you post a link to somewhere that provides solid evidence (as opposed to simply asserting) that this is the case, please?

I ask purely as a formality, you understand.

[_Some Schmo]

This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA.

Could you post a link to somewhere that provides solid evidence (as opposed to simply asserting) that this is the case, please?

I ask purely as a formality, you understand.

For certain right wingers, life itself is a lefty political stunt. They don't believe in reality.

[_huckelberry]

Well, let's keep things real. This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA. The American left does not care about these people. The lefties on this forum do not care about these people. This is not about human community, it's about political power. That's all it's about.

This is a bizarre speculation. I do not see any way this serves anybodies political purpose but Trump's. Even so the possibility that it is politically orchestrated by anybody from the US is so unlikely I do not suspect Trump of such a trick.

Political situation and history in central America is more complicated than lefties did it, an unlikely theory.

[_canpakes]

Well, let's keep things real. This is not an organic population migration. It's a political stunt funded and organized by lefties in the USA.

I guess that you didn’t bother to read your own first sentence before typing the next two. : )