Bach wrote:When and why should he ever have been exposed to such a cruel journey by any loving parent. Is it only ignorant and non-caring parents of any child that want a pass when a child dies from this stupidity? Kevin? Would you ever expose your children to this certainty?
Kevin Graham wrote:Jersey Girl wrote:
No, no, no and no. Don't say "if you understand..." to me, Kevin.
Your comments are imprecise. Period.
Uh, I'll say whatever I want, especially after your lame attempt to make me out to be a blabbering idiot who makes no sense. There is no difference between the flu and cold in the context of using amoxicillin. I was precise on that. Typically when people get sick in the Winter, they either have a viral or bacterial infection. Amoxicillin and virus are two words that just don't go together in medical diagnoses.
And by the way, no one is using kids as "pawns" to blame Trump. Sigh.
I just came across this on Twitter, felt it was worth sharing, and left it at that. Go ahead and attribute all the malicious motives to me if you want. I don't even care anymore. Fact is I'm just depressed every time I hear about a kid dying while in our care.
Surveillance videos obtained by the Arizona Republic show migrant children being slapped, pushed and dragged by employees at a since-shuttered shelter run by embattled shelter provider Southwest Key Programs.
In one video, a male staffer at the Hacienda Del Sol shelter in Youngtown, Arizona, is seen pulling and dragging a young boy into a room before slapping him and pushing him against a wall. The child then appears to strike back at the employee who retreats from the boy and leaves the room.
A second surveillance clip shows a female employee at the shelter dragging a child into a room. Another staff member is seen in the same video dragging and pulling another child across the floor.
The Republic said the videos were obtained from the Arizona Department of Health Services under state public-records law. The clips were blurred by the department to protect the children’s identities.
According to the Republic, Southwest Key had reported the incidents shown in the videos — all of which occurred in mid-September — to state authorities, local law enforcement and federal officials.
The shelter was shuttered by the federal government in early October. At the time, Southwest Key said the Office of Refugee Resettlement had decided to suspend operations at Hacienda Del Sol because of an unspecified incident.
“We wholeheartedly welcomed the [decision] and are working to thoroughly retrain our staff,” a spokesman for the Texas-based shelter operator said.
It’s unclear whether the encounters shown in the surveillance videos were directly linked to the shelter’s suspension. The Republic reported in October, however, that the facility was shuttered because staffers there had been found to have physically abused children.
Southwest Key declined to elaborate on the surveillance videos, the Republic said on Friday. The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office told the paper that it had reviewed the surveillance clips and determined that “while physical force and restraint techniques were used against these minor children, these actions did not rise to the level of criminal charges.”
Southwest Key is the country’s largest shelter provider for migrant children, according to The New York Times. The shelter operator has come under scrutiny in recent months for an array of issues, including accusations of child sexual abuse, the possible misuse of federal money and the failure to conduct adequate background checks on some employees.
A staffer at a Southwest Key shelter in Phoenix, Arizona, was arrested in July for allegedly molesting a 14-year-old girl at the facility. About a month later, an employee at a shelter in Mesa, Arizona, who is HIV-positive, was convicted of sexually abusing several boys.
Mark Weber, a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, told the Times earlier this month that there had been “numerous red flags and licensure problems” with the Hacienda Del Sol shelter, as well as another Southwest Key shelter in Phoenix, which the federal government also shuttered in October.
Jersey Girl wrote: If you gave so much as a sincere damn about the interaction you see in the video, you would first find out what the governing rules and regs are in the state of Arizona regarding behavior guidance to determine if the interaction that you see constitutes abuse.
Jersey Girl wrote:I would love to critique the article AND the video, however, I don't think I'll spend time on it just now. Here's what I want to say to you, Kevin, and surely this isn't all I'd like to say.
You are barking up the wrong three with me on threads like this. If you gave so much as a sincere damn about the interaction you see in the video, you would first find out what the governing rules and regs are in the state of Arizona regarding behavior guidance to determine if the interaction that you see constitutes abuse.
I have them right in front of me on the screen. Did you bother to do that?
No, of course you didn't and my guess is that you won't. I could kindly post them for you but I don't think educating yourself is your main goal here.
You can't advocate for children when you don't know what the law says or what you're looking at.
ETA: I removed the phrase: Oh and by the way, ____ you for using children like this.
Then I put it back.
Chap wrote:Jersey Girl wrote: If you gave so much as a sincere damn about the interaction you see in the video, you would first find out what the governing rules and regs are in the state of Arizona regarding behavior guidance to determine if the interaction that you see constitutes abuse.
Not necessarily.
It is quite reasonable to say 'Nobody should treat a child like that: I don't care whether it was strictly legal or not in the relevant jusrisdiction'.
And a person who says that is not thereby obliged to equip themselves with the necessary information to launch a prosecution in the jurisdiction in which the mistreatment occurred. A person who does not so equip themselves may still be perfectly sincere in their disgust at what they see on video or otherwise.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:A 2016 Human Rights Watch report analyzed ICE death reviews of 18 adults who passed away while under detention by U.S. immigration authorities at various facilities between 2012 and 2015. Was KG outraged then? Or did those deaths not matter as much because a child's death is more shocking?
- Doc