Fauci is either a liar or a fraud

[_honorentheos]

I think the biggest difference is that I think getting people back to work is much more important than holding a nationwide protest on police reform. It's the only way I can explain the mainstream media refusing to say one word about these protests setting back the extremely expensive social distancing shutdown.

I don't see it as a zero sum issue. I'm concerned about the economy, and it is likely to have the largest impact of everything going on including health impacts. But that's in context of hundreds of thousands of people dying, of hospitals being overwhelmed and society coming apart as our tendency to shove our problems under the rug and shout USA were inevitably going to break out because you can't ignore problems forever and hope they go away. But beyond that the stress we are experiencing from the pandemic wasn't out of the blue. We made decisions, or chose to not make decisions, that made the shutdown harder, the effectiveness of containment weaker, and the economic impacts worse.

Those came from the leadership in Washington. What you complain of is in large measure an issue caused by bad leadership.

The issues with police brutality aren't new. We are experiencing these protests right now because the events that threw them into the spotlight are so blatant one can't ignore them. But every time a protest was made before now, people like your media sources and the President dismissed the issue, called people unpatriotic or worse.

You seem to only see this from a very narrow perspective that happens to be the actual problem here. You don't want to solve problems. You don't want to figure out how to ensure our society works a bit better for everyone including how we respond to health crises or economic problems or social injustices that all contribute to this moment being what it is. You just want everything to go great for Ajax.

You didn't care when we told you Trump was bankrupted the country like he did companies where his business model was to blown things up, steal the profits, and parachute off to leave everyone behind dealing with the fall out from his being a terrible, selfish person. Well, welcome to being someone left holding the bag after Trump. You broke it. You're in this helping pay for it. Quit being a bitch about it, open your damn eyes, and see that the issues are more than some people who might help spread the virus further because the issue is so much more than that.

It's like you never learned empathy. Did you have a troubled childhood where you felt like you had to look out for yourself or no one else would?

[_Some Schmo]

I suppose at this point, you have to believe COVID is a hoax, otherwise you have to blame Trump for the economic crisis he caused by ignoring it, and heaven forbids people speak the truth about Trump. Pretty sure that's in the Bible somewhere near the end.

But listen... that's child's play. People believed in a sex ring run out of a pizza restaurant run by the Clintons and that Sandy Hook was staged. Some people even believe Trump is competent. Can you imagine?

People are well practiced at believing all kinds of incredible nonsense.

[_Gadianton]

concerning the first sentence:

"Mea culpa: I spent a lot of time on these here digital pages defending Dr. Anthony Fauci."

I guarantee everyone that the author never defended Fauci.

[_honorentheos]

concerning the first sentence:

"Mea culpa: I spent a lot of time on these here digital pages defending Dr. Anthony Fauci."

I guarantee everyone that the author never defended Fauci.

It's hard to see him do it directly on Breitbart. But he apparently claims to do it all the time.

For example, from May 6 -

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/202 ... oid-fredo/
You know, I get into a lot of online debates about Fauci with fellow conservatives. For various reasons, most don’t like the guy, don’t trust him, and don’t respect him. I do. I still do. But I can’t defend him making an anti-science ass of himself Monday.

That's what apparently passes for defending a guy.

From May 3, while complaining about lockdown orders before he had protests to use as a go to in order to claim it was all a hoax -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... they-lied/
Don’t tell me we’re waiting for warmer weather. First off, no one has said that’s why the lockdowns have been extended. Secondly, Dr. Fauci has already said “You must assume that the virus will continue to do its thing” when the weather gets warm — and I believe him.

Yeah, he's a dick who seems to get science wasn't on the side of inaction but otherwise can't hide his disdain for anything that doesn't overlay easily onto the Trump propoganda-verse.

[_ajax18]

You like to ____ about supposed leftists protesters but never bitched at all about right wings protests that were going on during the pandemic.

That's the point is it not? It's as if the first amendment only exists for BLM protests, not people begging to go back to work, at least in the minds of the mainstream media. It's as if they're not concerned at all about Covid anymore which leads me to believe that a large portion their Covid focus was more political than scientific, more concerned about winning the election than what was in the best interests of the American worker.

[_Gunnar]

If ajax is the competent optometrist he claims to be, he must be conversant enough in math to see through the idiocy of that Breitbart article. That he didn't even try to question it, once again attests to his dishonesty, bias and/or laziness. He just doesn't want to know the truth if it doesn't align with what he has already decided to believe.

It is not a problem of understanding some math. Ajax is biased in the extreme to believe certain things and will not spend anytime questioning whether he has things wrong. Breitbart is an authority to him only because it consistently tells him what he wants to believe. He will never question any of it. It's classic behavior from a very closed mind. This is why he consistently will ignore people presenting good evidence and questions that would help him better find the truth.

Isn't that basically what I just said? Of course he ignores the math or anything else that doesn't support his preconceived notions of how things oughta be, and eagerly accepts it uncritically without bothering to check it if seems to support what he wants to believe. He presumably has the mathematical competence to independently check certain math based claims. He is just very selective about what he bothers to critically examine.

[_ajax18]

You seem to only see this from a very narrow perspective that happens to be the actual problem here. You don't want to solve problems. You don't want to figure out how to ensure our society works a bit better for everyone including how we respond to health crises or economic problems or social injustices that all contribute to this moment being what it is. You just want everything to go great for Ajax.

It's not everything great for Ajax. There's plenty more like me who you would call deplorable. I call them my fellow Americans. Give us our own country. We'll live according to our beliefs and you can live on the other side of the wall according to yours. But all we're getting right now when we try to work together is political sabotage to win the next election. It's time for a divorce. And there's no reason it can't done without shedding blood.

[_Some Schmo]

You like to ____ about supposed leftists protesters but never bitched at all about right wings protests that were going on during the pandemic.

That's the point is it not? It's as if the first amendment only exists for BLM protests, not people begging to go back to work, at least in the minds of the mainstream media. It's as if they're not concerned at all about Covid anymore which leads me to believe that a large portion their Covid focus was more political than scientific, more concerned about winning the election than what was in the best interests of the American worker.

Leaving aside the opportunity cost associated with what to cover during both a pandemic and global protests, did this "sudden dropping of a story," the thing leaving you suspicious, come from all that scaremongering caravan coverage leading up to and ending abruptly on election day?

[_Some Schmo]

And there's no reason it can't done without shedding blood.

That's true. You could take your own advice and just leave. You come from an immigrant family - go back from whence you came.

On the other hand, you could decide to become more enlightened about the best ways to evaluate other human beings. In that wonderful journey of discovery, you might learn that race is a terrible indicator of anything, and everyone is different. It makes the job harder, because you can't assume everyone in a group is the same. It means you actually have to think about each individual and each individual idea. The horror! But at least then, your criticisms carry some weight.

White people are great.
White people are useless.
White people are kind.
White people are assholes.
White people are smart.
White people are ignorant.
White people are generous.
White people are selfish pricks.
White people are hard workers.
White people are lazy pricks.

You can replace "white people" with any other group. Every single one of those statements contains truth but is ultimately false; it depends on the white person.

[_Themis]

That's the point is it not? It's as if the first amendment only exists for BLM protests, not people begging to go back to work, at least in the minds of the mainstream media. It's as if they're not concerned at all about Covid anymore which leads me to believe that a large portion their Covid focus was more political than scientific, more concerned about winning the election than what was in the best interests of the American worker.

You live in a fantasy world where you get information exclusively from places like breitbart and have no idea how the real world is. Most of what you think here is not supported by facts. You never try to find out what people you view as leftist really say or think. You just repeat the crap alt right sites spew in your face.